If you believe abortion = murder . . .

[NeTrips]

However, getting that to happen is impossible.

Nothing is impossible for God is it? We need to keep this in prayer.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Nothing is impossible for God is it? We need to keep this in prayer.

Well, for the past several thousand years of human existance, God hasn't seen fit to magically intervene and stop unwanted pregnancies, has he?

So, maybe we'd do well to pray AND make contraceptives easily available

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I also think walking students the whole pregnancy scenario and what it would mean to them if they had to take care of a child is rather beneficial.

certainly couldn't hurt.

That PLUS abstinence education PLUS contraceptives PLUS prayer... we might get somewhere in reducing abortion rates

 

[MooCar93]

I agree 100% with you (even though you feel the quotation marks are necessary). If everyone would keep their pants zipped and knees together, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

I just wanted to point something out - single women aren't the only women out there having abortions. Married women have them, too. Are you suggesting married couples practice routine abstinence?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I just wanted to point something out - single women aren't the only women out there having abortions. Married women have them, too. Are you suggesting married couples practice routine abstinence?

No, all abortions are performed on unwed, promiscuous high school age atheists.

Don't you know anything?

 

[NeTrips]

Well, for the past several thousand years of human existance, God hasn't seen fit to magically intervene and stop unwanted pregnancies, has he?

So, maybe we'd do well to pray AND make contraceptives easily available

or maybe it is your earnest prayers that are required?

 

[NeTrips]

I just wanted to point something out - single women aren't the only women out there having abortions. Married women have them, too. Are you suggesting married couples practice routine abstinence?

Definately not

Just curious, and i have not tried to find out on my own. Any idea what the ratio of married to unmarried women having abortions is?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Just curious, and i have not tried to find out on my own. Any idea what the ratio of married to unmarried women having abortions is?

Some interesting stats... although not much available info re married vs unmarried rates

Each year, about 1.3 million American women have an abortion to end a pregnancy.9 This number reflects a declining abortion rate, in part because more women are using emergency contraception to prevent unintended pregnancy in the first days after unprotected sex.
The most common reasons women consider abortion are:

• Birth control (contraceptive) failure. Over half of all women who have an abortion used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant.9
• Inability to support or care for a child.
• To end an unwanted pregnancy.
• To prevent the birth of a child with birth defects or severe medical problems. Such defects are often unknown until routine second-trimester tests are done.
• Pregnancy resulting from rape or incest. Every year, about 13,000 women choose abortion after suffering rape or incest.9
• Physical or mental conditions that endanger the woman's health if the pregnancy is continued.

In the United States, about 58% of all abortions are performed in the first 8 weeks (first trimester) of pregnancy; 88% are performed before 13 weeks. Less than 6% of all abortions are done after 16 weeks of pregnancy-almost 50% of abortions after 15 weeks have been delayed by difficulty with affording, finding, or traveling to an abortion specialist.8, 9

 

[NeTrips]

Thanks. I haven't found much else either.

 

[HannahBanana]

or maybe it is your earnest prayers that are required?

Simply praying will do nothing to solve this issue. Abortion has been an option ever since Biblical times (proof here), and people have been praying ever since then, and yet the need for abortions has not stopped. What makes you think that the need for abortions will end any time in the future, when it hasn't ended in the past 2000+ years?

 

[NeTrips]

Simply praying will do nothing to solve this issue.... What makes you think that the need for abortions will end any time in the future, when it hasn't ended in the past 2000+ years?

There is a "need" for abortions?

 

[HannahBanana]

There is a "need" for abortions?

Of course there is. Otherwise, women would not seek them out.

 

[NeTrips]

Of course there is. Otherwise, women would not seek them out.

There is a 'desire' for abortions, but I have yet to see convincing argument or scientific data that there is a 'need'. Why do feel there is a 'need' for abortion?

 

[HannahBanana]

There is a 'desire' for abortions, but I have yet to see convincing argument or scientific data that there is a 'need'. Why do feel there is a 'need' for abortion?

Do you honestly think that women who seek out abortions do so casually? Do you honestly think that those women would willingly spend hundreds of dollars on a surgical procedure that they didn't feel they needed? Is it really logical to think that those women are motivated by a desire, rather than a need? C'mon, use your brain here.

 

[NeTrips]

Do you honestly think that women who seek out abortions do so casually? Do you honestly think that those women would willingly spend hundreds of dollars on a surgical procedure that they didn't feel they needed? Is it really logical to think that those women are motivated by a desire, rather than a need? C'mon, use your brain here.

The key words in your post, other than the flame, are: "feel they needed". This is a desire, something that is not required or necessary but wished for. We need food and water. We desire a steak dinner and sparkling water.

Why do feel there is a 'need' for abortion?

 

[HannahBanana]

The key words in your post, other than the flame, are: "feel they needed". This is a desire, something that is not required or necessary but wished for. We need food and water. We desire a steak dinner and sparkling water.

Why do feel there is a 'need' for abortion?

You did not answer my questions. Please do so now.

 

[NeTrips]

*bump

There is a 'desire' for abortions, but I have yet to see convincing argument or scientific data that there is a 'need'.

Why do feel there is a 'need' for abortion?

 

[kopilo]

Just for you NeTrips.

China's dramatic birth planning policies, while incredibly controversial in their curtailment of basic reproductive rights, stemmed from a direct, economic need to control the country's population. In the current international economic system, population is one of the strongest factors affecting a country's economy. It both determines the production potential of the country and draws on large amounts of government money for healthcare and education. China's overpopulation had created severe economic problems within the country, and the balancing of this population was a key element in China's economic success.

http://economics.about.com/cs/moffattentries/a/birth_plan.htm

 

[NeTrips]

Kopilo, good find, it shows a need for a way to check China's population growth, not abortion. Are you advocating that abortion should be considered as a means of birth control?

 

[kopilo]

Kopilo, good find, it shows a need for a way to check China's population growth, not abortion. Are you advocating that abortion should be considered as a means of birth control?

In the fully text is says that abortion and sterilization could have been avoided.

However, although its birth planning policies were both effective and economically beneficial to the country, it is likely that China could have brought its population into line without relying on the harsh measures of coerced sterilization and abortion.

http://economics.about.com/cs/moffattentries/a/birth_plan.htm

I believe if push comes to shove it can be a reasonable way to curve existing fertility rates. Out of a choice of having people starve to death or abortion, personally I'd pick abortion. However that is not the reality in many countries and we should avoid it becoming so.

EDIT:
As for a need of abortion, maybe in the case of an ectopic pregnancy, where there is a high chance of the mother and fetus dieing.