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ClaireZ said:
I grieve for this woman and her son, and all those others who have lost loved ones, or had loved ones maimed in Iraq.

I was against us going there, and I am against us staying there. Her son believed diffrently as does mine. Her son choose to serve, as my child also choose to serve.

I honor the service of all these young men and women.

I can understand her grief, and her need to express it, I am just not sure she has choosen the best way. However, I support her right to protest what she sees as an injustice, as she is an American citizen, and is just excerising her right.

Excellent post! While I may disagree with you concerning the war I agree completely with your perspective on a mother's grief and agree that she has the right to protest (as do all Americans) and I would never want to take that away from her.
 
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tiggercat said:
So in the case of Iraq and the moving target for the reason we are there, we should not question the fact that no weapons were found....

Other than since it was very well known by both Clinton's and Bush's administrations, Senate and Congress, the U.N., there were WMD...there's the strone possibility they were activily moved across the border to any of the neighboring Islamic countries, regardless if they state they are American allies are not.

Or they can still remain rather intact within the countryof Iraq itself. Too many people forget what a large piece of ground would actually need to be covered before the search is all too quickly given up.

Oh, wait a sec. WMD's by way of, biological, nuclear, ballistic arms have been found as reported back in a select few April 2004 who were not fearful of the mainstream press and their liberal ideaology:

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[/font][font=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]oth Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that the evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime was in "material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the last of 17 resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make a complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a verifiable manner. [/font] [font=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as one justification for going to war.
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  • [font=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing of BW agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam interested in testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a biological-weapons program? [/font]
  • [font=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'" [/font]
  • [font=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the United Nations. [/font]
  • [font=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]A line of unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs, or drones, "not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350 kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit." [/font]
  • [font=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the U.N." [/font]
  • [font=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] -- well beyond the 150-kilometer-range limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."[/font]
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One has to wonder if everything that is stated by the major mainstream media which is well known to have it's slant and bias is always taken at face value.
 
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Fantine said:
...Losing a child hurts ... whether you are sending out your last care package to Iraq.

As a military mother, the risks would still be there as they are for every single one of the mothers and fathers who have sons and daughters within the military. They were the same in World War I, World War II, the Koren War, Veitnam, and all the others.

Whether the war is agreed with or not is not the issue. Her son died in service to this country. I see no honor in her actions by protesting right in the middle of a war that the U.S. should withdrawl before it is finished. It is demoralizing and it is sickening.

I feel more for the bond between her and her family that is being shattered buy all this when it's a time when a family needs each other the most. She needs them as much as they need her. Not as a crususader. but merely as a wife and mother.
 
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I was very moved by it. I am sorry this poor woman lost her son,and I think she deser-
Cindy Sheehan said:
"You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism. My son joined the Army to defend America, not Israel.
My son was killed in 2004. I am not paying my taxes for 2004. You killed my son, George Bush, and I don't owe you a penny...you give my son back and I'll pay my taxes. Come after me (for back taxes) and we'll put this war on trial. And now I'm going to use another 'I' word - impeachment - because we cannot have these people pardoned. They need to be tried on war crimes and go to jail
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Uhhhh,...never mind. Put me down as 'not human', apparently.
 
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