If we are sinning willfully after we receive, there remains no more sacrifice for sins

HIM · Apr 10, 2021

Maria Billingsley said:
Ok I will try once more. "There is no more Jewish sacrifices for sin". The writer of Hebrews is speaking to Jews who think they can sin and then go to the Temple for the forgiveness of that sin. the writer is warning that there is no forgiveness there anymore.
This is a frightening passage for many people because they lack the understanding of biblical hermeneutics. It only takes a bit of study to understand these passages. For instance, it makes no sense that on one hand Christ atones for my sins but on the other hand that atonement will no longer be effective if I sin willfully after I after I've known the truth. We all sin willfully! This is not how it should be understood.
Jews were willfully going to the temple for their atonement thus making Jesus Christ of Nazareth of no effect.

All your words. Read the last post to you.

Clare73 · Apr 10, 2021

HIM said:
No it is not

Non-responsive.

Biblical assertion without Biblical demonstration is without merit.

HIM · Apr 10, 2021

Clare73 said:
Non-responsive.

Biblical assertion without Biblical demonstration is without merit.

See above

HIM · Apr 10, 2021

Clare73 said:
Non-responsive.

Biblical assertion without Biblical demonstration is without merit.

Interestingly enough. The text 10:26 in Hebrews says what it says. Sin willfully. It Does not say what you’re saying. So what do I have to prove. The text stands alone.

Clare73 · Apr 10, 2021

HIM said:
Interestingly enough. The text 10:26 in Hebrews says what it says. Sin willfully. It Does not say what you’re saying. So what do I have to prove. The text stands alone.

Sorry, all texts have a context, and not to realize such explains your misunderstanding.

HIM · Apr 10, 2021

Maria Billingsley said:
Again you are not reading this in context. Thanks for engaging. Be blessed.

And you are not reading or understanding the text and the context in which it is stated. Read the post and prove any error.
BecausNo where does chapter 10 or Hebrews for that matter even hint to what you are saying.

Interesting word in verse 26 which is extremely important. The word is "for". That as you know means what follows it is the reason for what was previously stated.

Heb 10:26 For if we are sinning wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

So what was previously stated?

Verse 24 and 25 say We are called to consider one another, to provoke unto love and good works, not to forsake the assembling of ourselves, but to exhort, uplift one another as we see the day approaching. FOR, BECAUSE if we are sinning wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. Sinning willfully not continue doing sacrifices. STOP ADDING TO THE WORD OF GOD!

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

HIM · Apr 10, 2021

Clare73 said:
Sorry, all texts have a context, and not to realize such explains your misunderstanding.

Context was explained here. As was said the text stands on it’s own. Here is the post
“No where does chapter 10 or Hebrews for that matter even hint to what you are saying.

Interesting word in verse 26 which is extremely important. The word is "for". That as you know means what follows it is the reason for what was previously stated.

Heb 10:26 For if we are sinning wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

So what was previously stated?

Verse 24 and 25 say We are called to consider one another, to provoke unto love and good works, not to forsake the assembling of ourselves, but to exhort, uplift one another as we see the day approaching. FOR, BECAUSE if we are sinning wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. Sinning willfully not continue doing sacrifices. STOP ADDING TO THE WORD OF GOD!

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.”

HIM · Apr 10, 2021

Maybe y’all do not understand that teaching error comes with consequences. May the Lord have mercy on us all.

Clare73 · Apr 10, 2021

HIM said:
Context was explained here. As was said the text stands on it’s own. Here is the post
“No where does chapter 10 or Hebrews for that matter even hint to what you are saying.

Interesting word in verse 26 which is extremely important. The word is "for". That as you know means what follows it is the reason for what was previously stated.

Heb 10:26 For if we are sinning wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

So what was previously stated?

Verse 24 and 25 say We are called to consider one another, to provoke unto love and good works, not to forsake the assembling of ourselves, but to exhort, uplift one another as we see the day approaching. FOR, BECAUSE if we are sinning wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. Sinning willfully not continue doing sacrifices. STOP ADDING TO THE WORD OF GOD!

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.”

Chapter 10 is not all the context of the letter to the Hebrews.

There are five warnings to those Hebrew Christians (2:1-4, 3:7-4:13, 5:11-6:12, 10:19-39, 12:14-29) interspersed among the points making the case for Christ and his supremacy over Judaism:

in his supremacy over the angels and Moses at the giving of the Old Covenant, over the Aaronic priesthood, over the Old Covenant, over the sanctuary, and over the sacrifices;

and culminating in a plea to persevere in the faith like the saints catalogued in the hall of faith in chps 11-12, rules for Christian living and personal remarks in chp 13.

HIM · Apr 10, 2021

Clare73 said:
Chapter 10 is not all the context of the letter to the Hebrews.

There are five warnings to those Hebrew Christians (2:1-4, 3:7-4:13, 5:11-6:12, 10:19-39, 12:14-29) interspersed among the points making the case for Christ and his supremacy over Judaism:
in his supremacy over the angels and Moses at the giving of the Old Covenant, over the Aaronic priesthood, over the Old Covenant, over the sanctuary, and over the sacrifices;
and culminating in a plea to persevere in the faith like the saints catalogued in the hall of faith in chps 11-12.

Nowhere in those text does it say they were doing as you say. Stop adding what is not there. The post you responded to shows the context. It is what is.

Clare73 · Apr 10, 2021

HIM said:
Nowhere in those text does it say they were doing as you say. Stop adding what is not there. The post you responded to shows the context. It is what is.

Clare73 said:
This is the fourth of five warnings to NT Hebrew Christians--
perhaps the large number of priests who became obedient to the faith (Acts 6:7), being tempted to revert to Judaism, maybe to merge with a Jewish sect such as the one at Qumran near the Dead Sea--
to not apostasize from NT faith, for they would then be left with no sacrifice for the remission of their sin and right standing with God's justice. . .they would be trodding under foot the Son of God and regarding Christ's blood of the covenant as a common thing. . .for which they would fall into the hands of the living God.

Yes, my blue section is an educated guess for what is indicated in the content of the letter--apostasy from Christianity back to Judaism.

But the issue of apostasy is abundantly clear--see 3:7-4:13.

HIM · Apr 10, 2021

Clare73 said:
Yes, my blue section is an educated guess for what is indicated in the content of the letter--apostasy from Christianity back to Judaism.

But the issue of apostasy is abundantly clear--see 3:7-4:13.

But your guess is not even implied.
The apostasy that they were performing is mentioned in the text.
We are called to exhort one another here as in Hebrews 10:24 and 25 lest we also have an evil heart of unbelief, departing from the living God through the deceitfulness of sin.

Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Clare73 · Apr 10, 2021

HIM said:
But your guess is not even implied.

My guess is to why, not to what.
Why were they defecting, not were they defecting.

The writer of the letter is urging the recipients of the letter (NT Hebrew Christians) not to have an evil heart of unbelief as Israel did of old when they refused to go into Canaan (Hebrews 3:7-11)

The apostasy that they were performing is mentioned in the text.

Right. . .they were departing from belief in salvation in Jesus Christ to go back to Judaism, for reasons we can only surmise from the conditions at the time.

We are called to exhort one another here as in Hebrews 10:24 and 25 lest we also have an evil heart of unbelief, departing from the living God through the deceitfulness of sin.

The letter is addressed to those Hebrew Christians, actually the instructions are to those Hebrew Christian brothers who are thinking of departing Christ.

Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

All is addressed specifically to those NT Hebrew Christians who were considering defection.

HIM · Apr 10, 2021

Clare73 said:
The writer of the letter is urging the recipients of the letter (NT Hebrew Christians) not to have an evil heart of unbelief as Israel did of old when they refused to go into Canaan (Hebrews 3:7-11)Right. . .they were departing from belief in salvation in Jesus Christ to go back to Judaism, for reasons we can only surmise from the conditions at the time.

The letter is addressed to those Hebrew Christians, actually the instructions are to those Hebrew Christian brothers who are thinking of departing Christ.

All is addressed specifically to those NT Hebrew Christians who were considering defection.

Once again you adding what is not there.
Take care.

Clare73 · Apr 10, 2021

HIM said:
Once again you adding what is not there.
Take care.

You are not considering the content of the whole letter, it seems there is some doctrine you are trying to preserve.

There are five warnings to those Hebrew Christians (2:1-4, 3:7-4:13, 5:11-6:12, 10:19-39, 12:14-29) interspersed among the points making the case for Christ and his supremacy over Judaism:

in his supremacy over the angels and Moses at the giving of the Old Covenant, over the Aaronic priesthood, over the Old Covenant, over the sanctuary, and over the sacrifices;

and culminating in a plea to persevere in the faith like the saints catalogued in the hall of faith in chps 11-12, rules for Christian living and personal remarks in chp 13.

klutedavid · Apr 10, 2021

Freth said:
You would have that impression if you only quote Romans 6:11, but if you continue reading verses 12-16, Paul explains exactly what alive in Christ means—that we are to be servants to righteousness, not sin.

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? —Romans 6:11-16

Here are numerous verses that equate righteousness with commandment keeping. Even Romans 6:16, which I'll repeat again.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? —Romans 6:16

And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us. —Deuteronomy 6:25

My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness. —Psalms 119:172

O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea. —Isaiah 48:18

And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. —Luke 1:6

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. —2 Peter 2:21

Which brings us back to the OP. If we receive knowledge, that righteousness includes commandment keeping, but we do not obey God's holy commandments, we are sinning willfully.

Concerning love as fulfillment of the law (because I know that's what's going to come up next):

Paul said that love is fulfillment of the law (Romans 13:10). If you stop there, like you did when you quoted one verse (Romans 6:11), you only get an abstract of what Paul means when he says love. If you pluck the verse (Romans 13:10) and ignore the commandments of God, you are ignoring the very meaning of love. This doesn't negate Romans 6, it expands upon it, just as Jesus did (Matthew 22:36-40), when He pointed to old testament scripture (Deuteronomy 6:5, Leviticus 19:18) and quoted words that He Himself gave Moses on Mt. Sinai. Jesus hung the law and the prophets on love, forever tying love to the commandments of God and scripture itself. Therefore you can't say love is fulfillment of the law if you are not keeping the commandments of God and not reading scripture in full context.

Context is key. Romans 13:

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. —Romans 13:1-2

Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof. —Romans 13:13-14

Jesus warned against adding or taking away (Revelation 22:18-19). Picking and choosing scripture is troublesome, because it removes context and replaces it with abstract ideas that aren't scriptural—which is willful sin on multiple levels. The refusal to accept the truth found in scripture is a conscious choice. The refusal to accept the commandments of God as hanging on love (Matthew 22:36-40) is a conscious choice.

In the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, there is no excuse.

Depends which 'commandments' the apostles are referring too.

1 John 2:3
By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.

1 John 3:23
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

The commandments that John is referring to are definitely not the ten commandments.

The law only grants the knowledge of sin. The law, the ten commandments, cannot save anyone.

The commandment to believe in the name of Jesus Christ is the commandment that must be kept.

St_Worm2 · Apr 10, 2021

Hello @HIM, when you read these two verses.....

Hebrews 10
26 If we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.

.....do you get any sense that this passage is referring to someone who is a true believer? For instance, does anyone who has just come to true/saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, "go on sinning willfully", or is that the mark of a CINO (Christian In Name Only) instead?

My belief is that v26-27 is in reference to the latter, that this passage concerns 1st Century Jewish ~almost~ Christians, members for a time of the 1st Century visible church who had gained all of the knowledge and understanding they needed to receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, but who turned away from that knowledge and rejected Him instead (and then returned to Judaism).

For men/women such as these (in the 1st Century AND today .. Jew or Gentile), there "no longer remains a sacrifice for their sins, only a terrifying expectation of judgment", because there is no other sacrifice/no other blood that saves us from our sins than the Lord Jesus' sacrifice/blood .. e.g. Hebrews 9:22, 10:4.

--David
p.s. - I think that it's also important to note that the particular sin that these Hebrew ~almost~ Christians were "willfully" & continually guilty of committing was the sin of rejecting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior .. e.g. Hebrews 10:29. IOW, while we know that they had received, "the knowledge of the truth" about Him, they never received, "Him"

On the other hand, good news for true believers is found in this amazing Chapter as well, yes .. e.g. Hebrews 10:39 (Lit .. "~we~ are not of shrinking back … but of faith" )

"He is able also to save forever those who draw near
to God through Him, since He always lives
to make intercession for them"
Hebrews 7:25

Simon D · Apr 10, 2021

HIM said:
We are new creation in Christ. His word, His Law being in our hearts. But those who are without or who ignore the gift shall die in their sins. For the wages of sin is death, and if we are sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin, but certain fearful looking forward to judgment and fiery indignation which shall destroy the adversary. He who despised Moses' Law died under two or three witnesses. Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. But the just live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition (destruction); but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

It helps to consider who the book is written to. This book is written to Hebrews who are Jews.

Jews would sacrifice eg a lamb as a temporary atonement of sin, but what this was was a representation of our Lord's sacrifice, the lamb of God.

So when Paul says in Hebrews 10:26, there is no more sacrifice, he is meaning that the Jews cannot hope to sacrifice an animal as a temporary atonement, because the sacrifice is finished in our Lord Jesus Christ.

AubreyM · Apr 10, 2021

... Nevermind

ozso · Apr 10, 2021

HIM said:
Hi, Could you word your question differently. I am not sure I understand it.
Thanks in advance.

What do you think sinning willfully means?

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