IF WATER BAPTISIM SAVES ,Water baptism WHY WAS JESUS WATER BAPTIZED ??

[Michie]

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Monday’s Feast of the Baptism of the Lord marked the official end of the Christmas season. It’s also an annual occasion for many to ask, “Why was Jesus baptized?”

After all, he is the sinless, divine Son of God, and the baptism that John the Baptist administered was “a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins” (Mark 1:4).

Christian baptism is of course greater than John’s baptism, even as Jesus himself is far greater than John (Matt. 3:14, John 3:30). Christian baptism not only forgives sins, but infuses the life of God into the soul, making us God’s children. And the origin of this sacrament is Jesus’ own baptism. Jesus had no need to be cleansed by the waters of baptism, for he had no sins to be washed away. Rather, hesanctified the waters by his descent into them.

Pope Benedict XVI (writing as Joseph Ratzinger), in his Jesus of Nazareth, offers some illuminating insights on all this. There’s a whole chapter in the book on Jesus’ baptism, but here are a few of his key thoughts.

First, in antiquity water conjured up two distinct images: death and life. Benedict notes:

On the one hand, immersion into the waters is a symbol of death, which recalls the death symbolism of the annihilating, destructive power of the ocean flood. The ancient mind perceived the ocean as a permanent threat to the cosmos, to the earth; it was the primeval flood that might submerge all life . . . But the flowing waters of the river are above all a symbol of life (15-16).

Even the physical act of baptism, especially baptism by immersion, represents death and new life: the descent into the waters is a form of death and burial; the rising to a new life is an icon of resurrection.

Looking at the events (of Christ’s baptism) in light of the Cross and Resurrection, the Christian people realized what happened: Jesus loaded the burden of all mankind’s guilt upon his shoulders; he bore it down into the depths of the Jordan. He inaugurated his public activity by stepping into the place of sinners. His inaugural gesture is an anticipation of the Cross. He is, as it were, the true Jonah who said to the crew of the ship, ”Take me and throw me into the sea” (Jon. 1:12) . . . The baptism is an acceptance of death for the sins of humanity, and the voice that calls out “This is my beloved Son” over the baptismal waters is an anticipatory reference to the Resurrection. This also explains why, in his own discourses, Jesus uses the word
“baptism” to refer to his death (18).

The Eastern traditions of iconography pick up on many of these themes, as the current pope emeritus elucidates:

The icon of Jesus’ baptism depicts the water as a liquid tomb having the form of a dark cavern, which is in turn the iconographic sign of Hades, the underworld, or hell. Jesus’ descent into this watery tomb, into this inferno that envelops him from every side, is thus an anticipation of his act of descending into the underworld . . . John Chrysostom writes: “Going down into the water and emerging again are the image of the descent into hell and the Resurrection” (19).

Jesus’ baptism not only is deeply intertwined with the salvific events of the Passion and of Easter, but it also reveals him to be a new and greater Moses. In the Easter Vigil liturgy of the Roman Rite, the paschal candle is plunged into the waters of the baptismal font, much as Moses stretched his staff over the waters of the Red Sea, which God parted (Ex. 14:21-31).

This created a means of escape for God’s people from the stampeding armies of Egypt and its Pharaoh, which are types of sin and Satan. Saint Paul, looking back at this event, refers to it as a prefigurement of Christian baptism (1 Cor. 10:2), which frees us from the rule of sin and death.

The baptism of the Lord also reminds us, of course, of our own baptism. The Church teaches that baptism not only lets us participate in Jesus’ victory over sin and death, but calls us to our own personal holiness and apostolate (sharing our faith). When you boil it all down, this is the essence of how we fulfill our baptismal mandate to become saints.

Who are the saints? The word “saint” derives from the Greek term hagios, which means “the holy ones.” Being a holy person just means being, with God’s considerable help, the person you were created to be.

The Bible says, “without holiness no one will see the Lord” (Heb. 12:14, NIV). This is also why we need to share our faith! If we want everyone we know and love to get to heaven, if we want them to see Jesus, they must become saints as well—no exceptions.

The world tends to value the letters at the end of people’s names—M.D., M.B.A., Ph.D. But Catholics care most of all about the letters we hope one day will come before our names: “St.” This was the ultimate reason the Lord was baptized, establishing the sacrament, and it’s why we are baptized, too.

Why Jesus Was Baptized

Monday’s Feast of the Baptism of the Lord marked the official end of the Christmas season. It’s also an annual occasion for many to ask, “Why was Jesus baptized...

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[Michie]

That’s from Jesus of Nazareth, page 18. Now...there’s so much packed into this quote here. It’s really fascinating. But what the Pope is really saying there—at least for me—a few things stand out. First, this answers the question of why Jesus had to be baptized. Have you ever wondered that? You should have, because in Matthew, John the Baptist actually asks, “Why are we doing this? I need to be baptized by you, and yet you come to me.” And Jesus says:

“Let it be so now; for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.”

It’s not exactly the clearest answer to the question, but He obviously assumes that John is going to understand what He means. So Benedict kind of goes a little further there and explains it by saying...what’s happening here is that the reason Jesus has to be baptized, even though He Himself was without sin, is the same reason that He has to go to the cross, even though He Himself is without sin. He steps into the place of sinners by receiving John’s Baptism for the forgiveness of sins as an anticipation of the cross on which He will, in fact, take the burden of the sins of humanity upon His own shoulders in order to atone for them.

So the Baptism is the ultimate anticipation of Jesus’ passion as the suffering servant who atones for the sins of humanity. In other words, Jesus didn’t have to be baptized any more than He had to go to the cross. He goes down to the waters of the Jordan for our sake and for our salvation. And I think, at least for me, I don’t think most people think of Jesus’ Baptism as an anticipation of the cross. I don’t know about you...I tended to think of it for many years just as a public revelation of His identity. Hey everybody, here is the Son of God, and God is really well pleased with Him.

But the reason the Father is so well pleased with Him is because the Son is obedient to the plan of salvation by which the world will be redeemed. He doesn’t just take pleasure in the Son as Son, He takes pleasure in the Son as servant who’s going to do His Father’s will all the way down in the waters of Jordan and through those waters to the cross.

Why Did Jesus Need to be Baptized?

Dr. Brant Pitre connects the baptism of Jesus to the crucifixion in order to show why Jesus needed to be baptized.

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[Dan Perez]

That’s from Jesus of Nazareth, page 18. Now...there’s so much packed into this quote here. It’s really fascinating. But what the Pope is really saying there—at least for me—a few things stand out. First, this answers the question of why Jesus had to be baptized. Have you ever wondered that? You should have, because in Matthew, John the Baptist actually asks, “Why are we doing this? I need to be baptized by you, and yet you come to me.” And Jesus says:

“Let it be so now; for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.”

It’s not exactly the clearest answer to the question, but He obviously assumes that John is going to understand what He means. So Benedict kind of goes a little further there and explains it by saying...what’s happening here is that the reason Jesus has to be baptized, even though He Himself was without sin, is the same reason that He has to go to the cross, even though He Himself is without sin. He steps into the place of sinners by receiving John’s Baptism for the forgiveness of sins as an anticipation of the cross on which He will, in fact, take the burden of the sins of humanity upon His own shoulders in order to atone for them.

So the Baptism is the ultimate anticipation of Jesus’ passion as the suffering servant who atones for the sins of humanity. In other words, Jesus didn’t have to be baptized any more than He had to go to the cross. He goes down to the waters of the Jordan for our sake and for our salvation. And I think, at least for me, I don’t think most people think of Jesus’ Baptism as an anticipation of the cross. I don’t know about you...I tended to think of it for many years just as a public revelation of His identity. Hey everybody, here is the Son of God, and God is really well pleased with Him.

But the reason the Father is so well pleased with Him is because the Son is obedient to the plan of salvation by which the world will be redeemed. He doesn’t just take pleasure in the Son as Son, He takes pleasure in the Son as servant who’s going to do His Father’s will all the way down in the waters of Jordan and through those waters to the cross.

Why Did Jesus Need to be Baptized?

Dr. Brant Pitre connects the baptism of Jesus to the crucifixion in order to show why Jesus needed to be baptized.

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# 1 What does it mean to FULFIL all RIGHTEOUNESS mean ??

# 2 All priests had to WASH hands and feet , WHY ??

# Check EX 30:21 to start !!

dan p

 

[Michie]

# 1 What does it mean to FULFIL all RIGHTEOUNESS mean ??

# 2 All priests had to WASH hands and feet , WHY ??

# Check EX 30:21 to start !!

dan p

Just passing along the info. No need for the exclamation marks.

 

[Dan Perez]

Just passing along the info. No need for the exclamation marks.

And all priest had to WASH hands and feet before doing their priestly duty .

and in Heb 7:17 Christ Christ will a priest FOREVER according to the order of Melchizedek and that will happen during

the MILLIENNIAL KINGDOM .

dan p

 

[Michie]

Uh huh.

 

[Dan Perez]

Uh huh.

What does that mean you are AGOG with my answer and do you have a question , about MELCHIZEDEK , since he had no

father and no mother and without genealogy , having neither beginning of DAYS nor end of LIFE , but like the Son of God

remains a priest Continually , Heb 7:3 !

dan p

 

[Michie]

UH HUH!!!

Not feeding into your nonsense.

Good luck with all that. I know when these types of discussions are an exercise in futility. I gave you a different perspective to explore and all you want to do is yell out your flawed understanding. No thanks.

 

[Dan Perez]

UH HUH!!!

Not feeding into your nonsense.

Good luck with all that. I know when these types of discussions are an exercise in futility. I have you a different perspective to explore and all you want to do is yell out your flawed understanding. No thanks.

OK , and what the POST BEGAN is to show that MELCHIZEDEK was Christ that met Abraham in the book of Genesis

and we know that that in 1 John 5:7 there is only the FATHER , THE WORD , and the HOLY SPIRIT and we see Melchizedek

who also has no GENEALOGY and the only answer is it is CHRIST .

dan p

 

[Michie]

Look at the title of your thread. I posted the answer. Take it or leave it. No skin off my nose.

 

[Aristarkos]

OK , and what the POST BEGAN is to show that MELCHIZEDEK was Christ that met Abraham in the book of Genesis

and we know that that in 1 John 5:7 there is only the FATHER , THE WORD , and the HOLY SPIRIT and we see Melchizedek

who also has no GENEALOGY and the only answer is it is CHRIST .

dan p

Melchizedek wasn't Christ, he was a type of Christ. It nowhere says Melchizedek has no genealogy, it was just never mentioned. According to Hebrews 7:1 Melchizedek was king of Salem (the later Jerusalem), again the type is pointed out. Mixing the type with the antitype leads to misunderstanding Scripture.

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

Melchizedek wasn't Christ, he was a type of Christ. It nowhere says Melchizedek has no genealogy, it was just never mentioned. According to Hebrews 7:1 Melchizedek was king of Salem (the later Jerusalem), again the type is pointed out. Mixing the type with the antitype leads to misunderstanding Scripture.

Aristarkos