If Trump wins, more voters foresee better finances, staying out of war — CBS News poll

[hislegacy]

I'm not aware of large numbers of Dem voters who support Donald either. They may want someone else, but I don't see them voting for Donald.

Ok - thanks!

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I'm not aware of any high profile Dems who think Donald would be better than President Biden. I'm aware of numerous high profile Republicans who think the opposite.

This is just more of the fake, now exposed astroturf “walkaway” campaign from a few years ago being repackaged.

In reality no voters on either side have really changed their minds on Trump, not one millimeter from where they were in 2020.

 

[Nithavela]

Thanks for the heads up...

Now all you have to do is consider how many you think is acceptable. Maybe the current death toll for children (just so we know they are not Hamas) is ok with you.

In Palestine, recruitment into the holy war against israel stars at Kindergarten.

 

[Bradskii]

In Palestine, recruitment into the holy war against israel stars at Kindergarten.

I sincerely hope that isn't meant to be some sort of justification.

 

[Nithavela]

I sincerely hope that isn't meant to be some sort of justification.

Saying that children in the Gaza strip are "not Hamas" is a gross overgeneralisation. A lot of them are at least Hamas supporters.

 

[Bradskii]

Saying that children in the Gaza strip are "not Hamas" is a gross overgeneralisation. A lot of them are at least Hamas supporters.

I shouldn't have to point out what a monstrously ridiculous statement that is to make, saying that young children are supporting terrorism. And then, horrendously, by implication that their deaths serve some good.

 

[Nithavela]

I shouldn't have to point out what a monstrously ridiculous statement that is to make, saying that young children are supporting terrorism. And then, horrendously, by implication that their deaths serve some good.

The only thing that is monstrous is that Hamas has turned the children of the Gaza strip into fervent supporters by inflicting propaganda on them from birth. Pointing that out is not monstrous, nor is it ridiculous.

 

[Bradskii]

The only thing that is monstrous is that Hamas has turned the children of the Gaza strip into fervent supporters by inflicting propaganda on them from birth. Pointing that out is not monstrous, nor is it ridiculous.

I have no interest in responding further to this horrendously ridiculous position for excusing the deaths of children.

 

[Nithavela]

I have no interest in responding further to this horrendously ridiculous position for excusing the deaths of children.

That's of course your choice. But the suggestion that I am "excusing the deaths of children" or that I say that "their deaths serve some good" is something you made up yourself.

 

[Pommer]

The only thing that is monstrous is that Hamas has turned the children of the Gaza strip into fervent supporters by inflicting propaganda on them from birth. Pointing that out is not monstrous, nor is it ridiculous.

Oh, so Israel hasn’t blockaded the Gazans into their “area” where they can’t escape, nor conduct commerce that isn’t “approved“ by someone in Israel.
How nice, when did these changes occcur?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

This is just more of the fake, now exposed astroturf “walkaway” campaign from a few years ago being repackaged.

In reality no voters on either side have really changed their minds on Trump, not one millimeter from where they were in 2020.

I’ve been watching videos of Trump supporters during his rallies. Many of them said that nothing would sway them from voting for Trump. Not even if he murdered someone. I swear, he could be caught naked in a hotel room with a troop of Girl Scouts and a mountain of cocaine and his disciples would still vote for him.

 

[QvQ]

More voters think they'd be better off financially if Trump wins in 2024, and more voters think it's Trump who can keep the U.S. out of a war, if he wins.

That is the whole ball of wax.

Trump said, and every living member of all generations of Americans who had fathers, sons, brothers, in those endless foreign wars, those Americans had never heard these words out of a politicians mouth "The Goal of American Foreign Policy is Peace."

Frankly, most Americans were better off financially under Trump. And before anyone argues, the inflation rate on your grocery bill for the past 3 years is 45%.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Frankly, most Americans were better off financially under Trump. And before anyone argues, the inflation rate on your grocery bill for the past 3 years is 45%.

Can somebody remind me what happened 3 years ago?

I feel like it was something that had a global impact, shut down a lot of stuff, significantly moved forward the timeline of a labor shortage that economists have warned about since the 80s, and permanently subtracted 1,159,864 people (in the US alone) from the labor, tax, and economic landscape.

What was that thing…?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

American's seem to be waking up - thank goodness!

I wish they would wake up to see that Trump is the antithesis of every virtue and is only in it for his own self interest and now revenge. If he is reelected there is a good chance our democracy will be done with. he will want to stay in power no matter what and unless Americans wake up tp that reality, we are finished.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I wish they would wake up to see that Trump is the antithesis of every virtue and is only in it for his own self interest and now revenge. If he is reelected there is a good chance our democracy will be done with. he will want to stay in power no matter what and unless Americans wake up tp that reality, we are finished.

Trump will be studied in the same way Hitler and some cult leaders are studied now… To unpack on how such unremarkable people with middling-to-low intelligence are able to get thousands of people to just blindly follow them to the detriment of their own self interest and basic common sense.

Doubly perplexing in Trump’s case as the latter examples had charisma and a way of words that made them want to rally to a common goal, while Trump has the charisma of an incoherent person who spends their days yelling at cars and about half the eloquence.

 

[USincognito]

Trump will be studied in the same way Hitler and some cult leaders are studied now…

Not if he's elected he won't. Well, he might be studied, but people will be reading his hagiography instead of the reality you're referring to.

If he's elected, all that goes down the Memory Hole.

 

[Pommer]

Not if he's elected he won't. Well, he might be studied, but people will be reading his hagiography instead of the reality you're referring to.

If he's elected, all that goes down the Memory Hole.

What’s another trip to Crazytown without a load of doublethink to round out the day?

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Not if he's elected he won't. Well, he might be studied, but people will be reading his hagiography instead of the reality you're referring to.

If he's elected, all that goes down the Memory Hole.

I mean the phenomenon of him that existed because he was elected the first time. The cultism. The fanaticism that exists now. If Mother God gets a documentary that covers 3 episodes, and that crazy Christian woman who has a Christian cult gets 6, surely he will get at least 5 too.

 

[Laodicean60]

worked his way through billions of other people’s money,

I never understood this statement about wealthy people. Where do you spend your money and who are you making rich?

 

[QvQ]

I never understood this statement about wealthy people. Where do you spend your money and who are you making rich?

Maybe it is time to talk about money and taxes.
The government owns all the money. Now the problem is, how to get the money into circulation.
1) The traditional way has been to loan the money at low rates to banks who then lend the money to business and individuals. This system gave the business and individuals some control over the distribution of wealth.
2) The way to get money in circulation has increasingly been to give it away through government programs. The Infrastructure bill, for instance is a stimulus,. All the entitlement programs are another way the government distributes money. The government directly controls the economy.
The first system is capitalism. The second system is Feudalism
The government, through the control of money controls the economy.
There are two issues here, 1) why is anyone paying taxes? If you tax the rich, the government gives it right back in the form of government contracts, grants and subsidies.
2) The government doesn't need taxes. The government can simply say how much money the government has and distribute it to who ever the government deems worthy subject to any set of specifications (fealty) Taxes used to be a physical entity, grain or gold and those had to be physically collected. Now that monetary is digital, wealth and taxes are just so many zeros on a screen.
The second system is now the economic system of the US.
Instead of studying "socialism" study the economic structure of feudal societies.
It may be a viable system. Traditionally it has been the primary system of governance throughout history. The reformation was a basic reform of that system. And here we are again. The executive and his ministers. The executive doesn't matter, kings come and go as the basic administrative state controls and distributes the wealth of the country.
The country is being run by the executive and the Departments. Congress is increasingly irrelevant.
Inflation is the most obvious risk. I am not certain how this system will work digital. Was inflation even possible when wealth was land, grain or gold? But printing and distributing too much paper money caused inflation. Digital, who knows? The government can add a few more zeros to all the accounts. "Adjustments for inflation" in government programs are an example.