If there was no death (of animals) before the Fall, then why would animals need to eat?

[Platte]

Here's another one:
Who do you think is responsible for miscarriages? I mean, they must be 'killings' too, right?

Lol. Id say most miscarriages are not the choice of the mother.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Lol. Id say most miscarriages are not the choice of the mother.

Whose choice are they?

 

[SelfSim]

Lol. Id say most miscarriages are not the choice of the mother.

So your issue with abortions is with mothers then?
With never a thought about all the other considerations ..
Or is it about them actually having choices?

 

[Platte]

So your issue with abortions is with mothers then?
With never a thought about all the other considerations ..
Or is it about them actually having choices?

My issue with abortion is those who use it irresponsibly for birth control.

 

[Platte]

Whose choice are they?

No one’s. Simply a biological feature of life.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

No one’s. Simply a biological feature of life.

Interesting. I thought God was supposed to have created everything, now you're saying he didn't.

 

[Astrid]

Interesting. I thought God was supposed to have created everything, now you're saying he didn't.

You expected logic and consistency?

 

[Platte]

Interesting. I thought God was supposed to have created everything, now you're saying he didn't.

He created the biological features of life

 

[Platte]

You expected logic and consistency?

Always

 

[SelfSim]

He created the biological features of life

Such as miscarriages.
One of his 'design features' murders unborn children then.

 

[AV1611VET]

Such as miscarriages then?
Ie: one of his 'design features' murders unborn children then?

We consider God's creation ruined and not functioning as intended.

 

[SelfSim]

We consider God's creation ruined and not functioning as intended.

Well you need to reconsider that twisted logic then.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well you need to reconsider that twisted logic then.

Would you know it, if it wasn't twisted?

 

[SelfSim]

Would you know it, if it wasn't twisted?

Sure would .. unless you're some kind of web-bot or something ..

 

[Bungle_Bear]

He created the biological features of life

Follow that logic to its conclusion. God created biological features which kill unborn children, therefore ______ is responsible for those deaths.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure would .. unless you're some kind of web-bot or something ..

Well, just so you know:

What you call "twisted logic," we call "basic doctrine."

Specifically, it's called "The Fall."

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

And it affected ALL of God's creation.

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

And "creature" in that passage means all of God's creation: from mankind to stars to blades of grass.

And "vanity" includes entropy, heat death, and decay of all sorts.

 

[AV1611VET]

Follow that logic to its conclusion. God created biological features which kill unborn children,

Nope.

Else He wouldn't have told Adam & Eve to replenish the earth.

And He wouldn't ridicule death either.

1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[SelfSim]

Well, just so you know:

What you call "twisted logic," we call "basic doctrine."

Specifically, it's called "The Fall."

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

And it affected ALL of God's creation.

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

And "creature" in that passage means all of God's creation: from mankind to stars to blades of grass.

And "vanity" includes entropy, heat death, and decay of all sorts.

All of which leads you to yet another circularly concluded belief that objectively real miscarriages are evidence for confirming your going-in belief that humans are somehow 'ruined'. Twisted going-in, twisted going-out.

Objectively real, (ie: 'True'), miscarriages, do not appear in the Bible passages you quote. Yet, they result in the deaths of, supposedly, fully conscious human beings?

 

[AV1611VET]

All of which leads you to yet another circularly concluded belief that objectively real miscarriages are evidence for confirming your going-in belief that humans are somehow 'ruined'. Twisted going-in, twisted going-out.

Objectively real, (ie: 'True'), miscarriages, do not appear in the Bible passages you quote. Yet, they result in the deaths of, supposedly, fully conscious human beings?

Do you know that NOT MISCARRYING was used as a blessing from God?

Exodus 23:25 And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee.
26 There shall nothing cast their young, nor be barren, in thy land: the number of thy days I will fulfil.

 

[SelfSim]

Do you know that NOT MISCARRYING was used as a blessing from God?

Exodus 23:25 And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee.
26 There shall nothing cast their young, nor be barren, in thy land: the number of thy days I will fulfil.

As I said about the other quote .. nothing there about miscarriages .. applies for this one as well.