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If there is "no evidence" for evolution...

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Disagreeing with a literal interpretation of the bible does not mean bias against God. Every Christian I know disagrees with a literal interpretation of the bible on some point.

Please answer: Do you agree 100% with every word in the bible in a literal sense?
Jesus is the bread of life, but not a loaf of bread. Jn 6:35
Jesus is the door to heaven, but not made of wood. Jn 10:9. And I could go on and on. But when the sense is not obvious or poetical it is best to take it as literal, not to spiritualize it. This is an old, old, old, argument I have gone over since before you were probably born.
 
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Precise would be to state it is approximately three. Or that 22/7 is approximately pi. But just saying pi is three is not precise, at least as the dictionary I quoted defines the word.

How many digits are after the 3? Unless it's an endless number, your definition is incomplete and untrue. Go here: Digits of Pi - Up to 1 Million Digits

Here's the way the Bible is precise. The first 34 verses of Genesis is an OUTLINE of ALL of the rest of the Bible. The entirety of the Bible from Genesis 2.4 to the end of Revelation adds "details" to the events of God's 7 Days/Ages shown in the 34 verses.
 
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Jesus is the bread of life, but not a loaf of bread. Jn 6:35
Jesus is the door to heaven, but not made of wood. Jn 10:9. And I could go on and on. But when the sense is not obvious or poetical it is best to take it as literal, not to spiritualize it. This is an old, old, old, argument I have gone over since before you were probably born.
Please answer before we go on so we understand each other's position.

Do you agree 100% with every word in the bible in a literal sense? (Please answer yes or no, so I understand your reply. Thank you)
 
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How many digits are after the 3? Unless it's an endless number, your definition is incomplete and untrue. Go here: Digits of Pi - Up to 1 Million Digits

We appear to be arguing different points. You said God "MUST be (caps are yours) precise". Saying pi is three is not precise. God would have to add the word "approximately" to make it precise.

Would you not agree?
 
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Sorry, but some have a problem understanding. The Multiverse is the 3rd Heaven which is much larger than our small Cosmos. The Multiverse consists of enormous quantities of air, dust and water, the building blocks of everything which exists physically. Add fire/life from the Creator and you have living creatures.

Our Universe, unlike Adam's which was in WATER, Gen 1:6 is in the midst of the enormous quantity of ground without form/dust in the Multiverse. That is WHY it's dark and why we cannot see the enormous Light in the Multiverse. It's ALSO why Adam's world did not need a Sun Moon nor Stars since it received light from the Multiverse.

This also explains Dark Energy, since something is causing the Galaxies to increase in speed as we near the solid boundary of dust which will destroy our Cosmos. It's the gravity of the larger mass in the Multiverse which is forcing this event. Some God haters prefer to stay in our burned out world and the smoke of their torment will go up forever and ever Rev 14:11 trapped forever in outer darkness. Mat 25:30
BUNK! More never-ending nonsense plucked from your posterior aperture.
 
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False, since evolution is ignorant of the difference between Humans (descendants of Adam) and prehistoric people (descendants of the common ancestor of Apes). Today's Science falsely assumes that Humans must have "evolved" by FAITH since they have NO evidence which is not easily refuted. Want to try?

Contrary to what you believe, your religion (yes, even your particular bizar version of it) is completely irrelevant in science.

Like with all creationists, your objection to evolution isn't actually rooted in science or evidence. The only reason your object to mainstream biology, is because you already believe something incompatible with it and you hold on to this belief in dogmatic ways.

You have mentally and psychologically put yourself in a position where when the evidence of reality contradicts your faith-based assertions, you have to assume that reality is wrong.

There's nothing more I can say about that really...
Because of this, the reality is that you have nothing of interest to contribute to this topic. Whenever one insists on holding on to beliefs that are demonstrably wrong, there's really nothing left to discuss.
 
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the fact that its work just fine falsify this claim.

I have explained in detail how that is simply not true.
I can design 2 products that have the exact same function and performance, while one will have an objectively better design then the other.

It's not even difficult.
It terms of software, all I would have to do is write 2 identical programs and the include a bunch of dead code in one but not the other.

The active code in both will be identical. But one program will take up more disk space and its overall build up will be very bad, simply because of the presense of the dead code.

The end user? He won't notice any difference in execution at all.
This completely refutes your nonsense on this point.

but you are welcome to believe otherwise.

I don't believe this. I know this.
And I know it very very well.

At my company, we have a bunch of interns every year.
As the intern team leader, the professors always ask me to grade their work. The work itself: being the code, the architecture, etc.

I actually flunked a guy once, while his project worked perfectly. I'm not joking.
The guy got everything working and in terms of usability, it was just fine. Performance was very okay, UI design was okay and all functional requirements were present. From the perspective of the user, this project should have gotten 18/20.

I gave him 11/20 (below 60% is considered "failing" in Belgian colleges and universities)
Because his code was hidious. He didn't use a specific design pattern, while it was obviously needed. Instead, he worked out his own "solution", wich ended up in a complete spaghetti of procedure calls. The code also wasn't refactored... I encountered several methods that exceeded 500 lines of code. Class, Method and variable naming was also very bad. And many more such problems. "code smells" everywhere.

But the program worked exactly like asked. And I flunked him, because of the bad design.
He ended up passing with 12/20. The professors felt that he deserved to pass because the project worked. With a grin on my face, I told them "that's why you guys are teachers instead of professional programmers...." :D :D


you arent a creature engineer and this is a big difference.

No, the principles of what constitutes a "good" design, stays the same.
A good design is elegant, simple, efficient,...

Biological designs "work". But they are not efficient, elegant, simple,...
There's an inumerable amount of stuff in biology that an actual designer would have done a LOT better.

because you cant. if it was so easy to do so you were already do that.

Once more: I don't need to be able to design X, to recognise that the design of X is good or if it could be better. It's actually quite easy to spot "bad design".


so lets see. here is one example:

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according to your criteria this is a bad design since its seems to be very odd to put a wheel in this part of the car. (image from wiki)

/facepalm
 
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There's an inumerable amount of stuff in biology that an actual designer would have done a LOT better.
and yet scientists like dawkins and miller were wrong about the "backward retina". since this "backward structure" actually improve vision.

It's actually quite easy to spot "bad design".

and yet evolutionery scientists were rong about the retina structure. you also ignored this example (wonder why):


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and yet scientists like dawkins and miller were wrong about the "backward retina". since this "backward structure" actually improve vision.

and yet evolutionery scientists were rong about the retina structure.

I already countered this nonsense on several occasions. Unsurprisingly, there you are again, repeating the same nonsense that was already refuted.

you also ignored this example (wonder why):


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I didn't ignore it. I replied with a facepalm, which was already more attention then it deserved.
 
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You also ignored this example (wonder why):


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Because automotive engineers are of mixed opinions as to whether putting the spare tire in the engine compartment is a good idea.
 
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We appear to be arguing different points. You said God "MUST be (caps are yours) precise". Saying pi is three is not precise. God would have to add the word "approximately" to make it precise.

Would you not agree?

No, since that would mean I agreed with a man instead of God. Don't you know that God is incapable of error? IF God broke one of His own Laws, the Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven, would cease to be. God gave the correct answer but did not see the need to add digits forever, since that is what pi is.
 
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BUNK! More never-ending nonsense plucked from your posterior aperture.

You've just mad because you can't understand Genesis. Your problem is self-imposed and self-curable. Ask God for help with your unbelief. He loves you no matter what your name is. Keep the faith.
 
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Contrary to what you believe, your religion (yes, even your particular bizar version of it) is completely irrelevant in science.

i know since science is changeable and God's Truth doesn't need to change. God's Truth AGREES in every way with every discovery of science. That doesn't include the fantasy assumptions or theories, of some godless men.

Like with all creationists, your objection to evolution isn't actually rooted in science or evidence.

Sure it is. Godless men changed the name from descent with modification into the filthy word "evolution". Descent with modification within kinds is True and didn't need to be changed except to eliminate God from His own Creation.

Because of this, the reality is that you have nothing of interest to contribute to this topic.

False, since without Creationists, those who worship at the Altar of Evolution have nothing to hate. The most boring sites online are those who don't allow Creationists. I know. I've been there, tried, and gave up on the poor godless lot. They're dumber than Trump.
 
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I already countered this nonsense on several occasions

its not a nonsense. its evolutionery scientists claim. not mine.



I didn't ignore it. I replied with a facepalm, which was already more attention then it deserved.

so you have no real answer to my spare tire example. thanks for this clarification.
 
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