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If there is "no evidence" for evolution...

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Quoting You:
"Really? So what proper definition of 'secular humanism' makes it a religion?"
You answer this yourself with the following quote.

2. a particular system of faith and worship:
"the world's great religions"
3. a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance:
"consumerism is the new religion"

BTW Books on World Religions are usually written by people that do not follow what they are writing about as members of those religions and I have found them to be incorrect on how they describe Christianity.
 
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"Because Jesus said so" You reject Jesus? John 12:48.
Lots of people have claimed to be gods, be able to speak to gods, etc. Evidence never supports those claims. To be extremely blunt, Jesus never wrote anything in the bible himself, so how do you know people didn't edit his words or make errors in copying them down?
 
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LOL! Who told you that - Pastor John?

I see in your vast scientific education, you never learned what "theory" means in science....
That is because I don't put my trust in what you call "science" which has been riddle with errors by fallible scientists.
 
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-_- secular humanism doesn't worship anything, and it doesn't even assert great importance in its singular claim, which is that people are capable of being moral and self-fulfilled without being theists. And plenty of atheists have demonstrated that to be true.
 
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They thought the Greek gods were myths, then they discovered Troy.

Fire-breathing dinosaurs? Bombadier-beetle? What on earth are you talking about?
Google it.
 
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Do you have any facts yourself? All I've seen so far is a shallow and theologically unsatisfying interpretation of the stories in Genesis.
Google "The Bible and Archaeology" for starters. Do I have any facts? They are almost unlimited in number. Facts and evidence. Hebrews 11:1.
 
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Google it.
I googled the bible verses that mention dragons, and any that offer input on physical descriptions describe them as serpents. Those beetles are not serpent-like in the slightest. Plus, with Jeremiah 51:34 saying “he has swallowed me up like a dragon…” it is very apparent that the creature being spoken of was large.
 
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That is because I don't put my trust in what you call "science" which has been riddle with errors by fallible scientists.

Every hour of every day, you enjoy the benefits of what science has discovered, with it's methods. Yet, you don't trust any of these daily benefits, but still enjoy them.
 
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Just as God exists, Satan exists, and just as men have used false propaganda to try to discredit the leaders and cause of their enemies, so Satan does this to mankind, trying to get man to see God in the bad light Satan creates of God. Many are deceived, and the whole world will eventually be deceived. The teaching of the false theory of Evolution is a great tool Satan uses that the world has bought into in their rebellion against the righteous God.
Certain people groups had become so wicked (offering their own children to be sacrifice alive to a false god by burning them alive, as just one of many examples) that God directed Israel to remove them all, just as surgeon would try to remove a spreading cancer before it kills the patient.
 
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Sure. One example of many. Compare the explanation of how evolutionists say the Grand Canyon was formed to the results left by the volcanic eruption of Mt. St. Helens in 1980. What evolutionist say took millions of years for one river to cut out SEVERAL canyons and leave layers of sediment, the volcano in Washington State did in 17 seconds in some aspects, and in two weeks in other aspects, not millions of years. Google this.
 
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So you admit, that just because scientists hadn't seen a coelacanth it is alright for them to say they are extinct and only lived millions of years ago. How many other things have they not seen and thus jumped to the wrong conclusion, or at least studied for years and still came to the wrong conclusion. Read Job 38-40.
 
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That is true. Even Jesus said in Luke 18:8b "Nevertheless when the Son of man comes will there be faith in the earth." He was aware of the truth. of what you posted here a long time ago, as well as the truths found in Revelation 13:3,4 and Revelation 20:10-15.
 
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Just because people get the terminology of the Bible (unicorn, dragon) mixed up with Disney, doesn't mean I don't know what I am talking about. This just goes to show that some people don't rightly understand the Bible.
 
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BTW Books on World Religions are usually written by people that do not follow what they are writing about as members of those religions and I have found them to be incorrect on how they describe Christianity.
That's interesting. Can you name any in particular? And how would you know? You don't seem particularly well informed about Christians outside your own sect.
 
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A book of stories said so, which by the way, was penned by anonymous authors.

You can still believe it though, knock yourself out.
Either side could use these quotes.
A book of stories, penned by anonymous authors. You have believed a malicious, selfish, evil, deceptive lie.
It is a lie many want to believe. Yes, we all have our choice to follow what we want, and why we want to. We will all have to live with the consequences. I bet I am more blessed, happy, and content with believing the Bible to be the Word of God, than if I believed I came into being by chance, accident, and have no future after death. Talk about "knocking yourself out". Who is doing that? I understand your meaning, but use it now as a fight who accidentally hits himself and knocks himself out.
 
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Just because people get the terminology of the Bible (unicorn, dragon) mixed up with Disney, doesn't mean I don't know what I am talking about. This just goes to show that some people don't rightly understand the Bible.

Yeah, except that the terminology used in the Bible is incredibly unclear about certain things, and also, Disney does not have the market on the descriptions of dragons and unicorns since art of those creatures goes back all the way to the Early Medieval Ages.
Heck, my own country has a dragon as it's national emblem since 829 AD and we sure as heck aren't affiliated with Disney.

The only thing this shows is that you overestimate your own intelligence about the Bible. Classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
 
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Hey, when you make claims, I would expect people to ask you to support them. This is the science portion of the forum and people will ask you to provide something other than personal opinion, to support your position.

Let me ask you this; is it at all possible, you could be wrong about your beliefs, or are you infallible in this regard?
 
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A very good question. Because God came upon the writers in such a way as to use their personalities, vocabulary, background, etc., but lead them to write in such a way that they made no mistakes, contradictions, or anything else that would be wrong (2 Timothy 3:16,17; Psalms 12:6,7 KJV). The original copyists of Scripture had several strict rules they went by in order to alleviate this problem you suggest. We have over 15,000 of those copies in which to compare to one another in order to assure ourselves what the original said.
 
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The dragons were dinosaurs. Even some Christian teachers of the Bible have tried to explain certain animals mentioned in the Bible as being animals that exist today: Rhinoceros, elephant, jackal, hippo. Those Christians fail to see that the actual Bible animal described in Job 40:15,17,19; and the one in Job 41:1 and Job 41:21 no longer exist today. Just because some people have never seen such animals doesn't mean they didn't exist. There are even fossil records of similar dinosaurs.
 
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Just... wrong. All of this is just so horribly wrong. It's obvious that you don't have a clue about what you're talking about.
 
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