If the "Sons of God" in Genesis 6 were angels...

[Jamdoc]

If the supernatural view of the first part of Genesis 6 is taken, where it's Angels making human hybrids and not this kinda goofy redundant view that it's just men.. cause if it is just men then it's men reproduced, had daughters and then.. men saw them and took them as wives and reproduced? Wait isn't that how they got the daughters in the first place?

But anyway.. if it's true that it's Angels with Humans reproducing that made the Nephilim,

#1 it lends credence to I Enoch, which Jude, and Peter reference, Jude directly quoting, and Jesus appeared to reference in Matthew 22 (there is NOWHERE in the canon old testament that indicates marriage doesn't exist after the resurrection, but I Enoch gives the same rationale for there not being marriage after the resurrection as Jesus gave... even though it's a difficult thing to take in and kind of makes little sense as women, marriage and procreation were introduced BEFORE the fall, not after, but the rationale of no marriage and no procreation because no death is hard to reconcile with there not being death until the fall but marriage existed before the fall)
#2 It challenges very popular beliefs such as, simply seeing God's glory eliminates all desire for anything like sex or children, just staring at God fulfills all desires. Popular teaching but, if Angels who lived in Heaven and beheld God in all His glory chose to "leave their first estate" to marry human women and have children... why wouldn't we? If God's glory was all we'd ever need, why'd God provide other things and other gifts? Angels were created just to glorify God, and God never gave them things like food, a planet, animals, women, etc. So if any being would be totally fulfilled by God's glory, and desire nothing else.. it'd be Angels... but they still chose other things, they still chased after "strange flesh". Meanwhile we were given many other things, and given desires for those other things, to be fulfilled by things other than staring at Jesus. Praising God doesn't satiate hunger or thirst drive for instance, God PROVIDED the means to satiate them instead.
#3 It also challenges the popular belief that the elimination of sin in the New Earth is accomplished by beholding God's glory wiping away desires for anything else. If Angels can sin, after knowing God's glory but choosing something they didn't even have a biological need for.. wouldn't we also still have that potential, having been designed with needs that are fulfilled by providence rather than directly by beholding glory? Like we're already predisposed to choosing to satiate a need rather than just staring at God and praising Him. Resurrected Jesus still .. ate food for instance, and the imagery given even in Revelation 21 and 22 still involves eating and drinking, biological drives that are fulfilled through things that God provides, rather than just, glory.

What prevents us from desiring physical intimacy from the opposite gender when even Angels desired it?

Does God just.. make us all Barbie and Ken dolls so we're physically incapable?
Does God change all women into men? I mean after all, only the male gender is really addressed in the later chapters of Resurrection aside from the bride imagery, the New Jerusalem is referred to by feminine pronouns, but the individuals, the overcomers, are referred to by masculine pronouns only.

Revelation 21

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Mind you I don't believe that's how it's solved but I do have to pose the question of possible ways for it to be solved, because Angels choosing women over God's glory challenges the popular belief.

Most other sins can be addressed just by living in love, God's providence, and the impossibility of dying. Why bother stealing if God gives all things freely? Why bother coveting if God has provided for all needs? Can't murder when nobody can die, can't commit Adultery if there is no marriage, and can't lie if everyone already knows the truth.

But fornication.... that's a tough one to solve unless the people are physically incapable due to being anatomically incomplete, or there are no such thing as women anymore to desire, or the law itself changes... because the desire for physical intimacy exists often as a RESULT of loving someone, and no that desire is not created just out of biological need to reproduce, eliminating the possibility of biological reproduction does not eliminate sexual desire. Old people past menopause still have that desire, sterile couples still have that desire, and if Angels who were never created to have that desire or biological drive could learn to desire it... new biology doesn't solve it, living in love doesn't solve it, and if God's not providing a means for it, then it becomes an unmet desire, as it was an unmet desire for the Angels, and so they thought to fulfill it on their own.

 

[Jipsah]

But anyway.. if it's true that it's Angels with Humans reproducing that made the Nephilim,\

Oh boy, the blasted nephilim again. Are these the 800 foot tall Enochian nephilim or the 9 foot Goliath-looking ones in the actual Bible?

Anyway, nothing (as in not a dadgum thing) that indicates that spiritual beings can "mate" with human women. Until you can demonstrate that they can, the whole "nephilim" thing is blue smoke.

 

[Jamdoc]

Oh boy, the blasted nephilim again. Are these the 800 foot tall Enochian nephilim or the 9 foot Goliath-looking ones in the actual Bible?

Anyway, nothing (as in not a dadgum thing) that indicates that spiritual beings can "mate" with human women. Until you can demonstrate that they can, the whole "nephilim" thing is blue smoke.

Then if it's humans with humans, how'd it create 10 foot tall Goliaths and what's with the department of redundancy department text in Genesis 6?

let's insert just men into the text and see what we come up with in Genesis 6

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the men saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the men came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

when men began to multiply (which takes men taking wives and going into them unless you're believing that initially until Genesis 6 men just asexually reproduced..) men took wives and began to multiply? it's redundant. What's the point of those 4 verses with that much redundancy?

 

[Jipsah]

Then if it's humans with humans, how'd it create 10 foot tall Goliaths and what's with the department of redundancy department text in Genesis 6?

Tall humans.

let's insert just men into the text and see what we come up with in Genesis 6
when men began to multiply (which takes men taking wives and going into them unless you're believing that initially until Genesis 6 men just asexually reproduced..) men took wives and began to multiply? it's redundant. What's the point of those 4 verses with that much redundancy?

Replace all occurences of "men" with, oh, I dunno, "tall foreigners". Makes more sense then, doesn't it? No magical "nephilim" required.

The whole "nephilim" thing sticks out like a sore thumb in the OT, which is remarkable free from ancient bogie men. These folks pop in, sire a race of sci-fi aliens, then bug out. God gets rid of the their apparently far less magical offspring by drowning them since apparently being magical doesn't make you smart enough to build some boats. even if you have the extra time that being 800 feet tall would allow. (Speaking of which, I want somebody to show up with just a femur or pelvis, never mind a skull, of an 800 foot tall geezer. That'd be worth seeing!) Star-Baby-daddies couldn't bestir themselves to get the young-un's out of harm's way, either, so as soon as the waters have receded, neither the Nephs nor their offspring are ever heard from again. Right.

Sorry, but the account in the OT is just a little too casual for me to believe that they were talkimng about a race of half-angelic superbeings. It's just a mention in passing, and that's all they wrote. I'd think real supermeanies would rate a bit more ink than that. And no, "Enoch" doesn't count. There's enough hogwash included in it to render it unreliable even had it not included stuff that sounds like it was swiped from Greek myths.

 

[Jamdoc]

Tall humans.


Replace all occurences of "men" with, oh, I dunno, "tall foreigners". Makes more sense then, doesn't it? No magical "nephilim" required.

The whole "nephilim" thing sticks out like a sore thumb in the OT, which is remarkable free from ancient bogie men. These folks pop in, sire a race of sci-fi aliens, then bug out. God gets rid of the their apparently far less magical offspring by drowning them since apparently being magical doesn't make you smart enough to build some boats. even if you have the extra time that being 800 feet tall would allow. (Speaking of which, I want somebody to show up with just a femur or pelvis, never mind a skull, of an 800 foot tall geezer. That'd be worth seeing!) Star-Baby-daddies couldn't bestir themselves to get the young-un's out of harm's way, either, so as soon as the waters have receded, neither the Nephs nor their offspring are ever heard from again. Right.

Sorry, but the account in the OT is just a little too casual for me to believe that they were talkimng about a race of half-angelic superbeings. It's just a mention in passing, and that's all they wrote. I'd think real supermeanies would rate a bit more ink than that. And no, "Enoch" doesn't count. There's enough hogwash included in it to render it unreliable even had it not included stuff that sounds like it was swiped from Greek myths.

when I'm reading of giants in the old testament they're giving figures of 10 (Goliath)-13 feet (Og) tall or so, although the account in Numbers for the Anakim says much larger than that but okay the scouts gave hyperbole when they said these people make us look like grasshoppers. But tallest documented human was what 8 foot 11 inches? Goliath and other biblical giants are given statures taller than that.

and foreigners from where? We're talking pre-flood, pre tower of babel, pre spreading humans all across the world.

and beside the point, the Apostles and Jesus referenced Enoch.

Go ahead, search your old testament for where Jesus could have meant that the reason the Sadducees erred was they did not know the scriptures when He said there's no marriage after the resurrection. Because that's the reason Jesus gave for their error, they didn't know the scriptures. But without Enoch, where in the old testament would the Sadducees have deduced no marriage after the resurrection?

Because without Enoch...

Jesus basically told them, they erred because they didn't know the scriptures then proceeds to give doctrine that is NOWHERE in scripture, and for a reason that is NOWHERE in scripture.

except the doctrine, and the reasoning for it, are found in I Enoch... and it is the same reason Jesus gives.

So where else did this doctrine come from that the Saducees should have found in their canon old testament.

Good luck.

 

[Blade]

For some they are just stories in the bible. From what I have read in the bible there is no "IF" here. Some have searched on this their whole life and have some amazing proof. One can just toss out the bible and man still has no clue how some of the things made.. no human our size could ever make.

 

[Jamdoc]

For some they are just stories in the bible. From what I have read in the bible there is no "IF" here. Some have searched on this their whole life and have some amazing proof. One can just toss out the bible and man still has no clue how some of the things made.. no human our size could ever make.

I say if because the term "the sons of God" is debated, but the more I study, the more the supernatural interpretation fits, and then that calls into question Enoch, because if the book was found in the dead sea scrolls, it predates Jesus' day, and if Jesus Himself was making references to it, there's more to it than just "oh it's a fake book"

and until someone can point me to canonical scripture, as far as I can tell, Jesus called it scripture because He cited a doctrine and rationale for said doctrine from I Enoch and that doctrine can't be found anywhere in Canon scripture.

the Enoch description of heaven parallels Isaiah 6 and Revelation, the description of the Great White Throne of Judgement, fits Revelation, like there's clear influence in the New Testament writers from it.
Had they not found proof of its existence prior to Jesus' day it could be said to be a fraud written after Revelation, sure, but they did find it, so.. it predated the first advent and the Apostles and they referenced it.

and most importantly. this understanding, challenges popular theology.

Namely this switch.. that through all of creative history, God has supplied needs through Providence. He created a need, then created a means to fulfill that need and gave it as a gift.

But in the next age, the popular theology is that those needs are taken away rather than fulfilled, and that just "seeing God's glory" fulfills all needs. But language in scripture, still supports Providence, rather than just "stare at Jesus fulfills everything"

 

[Jipsah]

and beside the point, the Apostles and Jesus referenced Enoch.

I can't imagine that they were referencing the collection of rubbish that is the "Enoch" that we have. Its "Book of the Heavenly Luminaries" is as big a load of nonsense as anyone ever imagined. And we're supposed to look to this book as a source of spiritual truth and elevate it to the level of holy writ? May as well add Mad Magazine to the canon.

Because without Enoch...

...we wouldn't have enough pagan-sounding codswallop being taken seriously

 

[Jamdoc]

I can't imagine that they were referencing the collection of rubbish that is the "Enoch" that we have. Its "Book of the Heavenly Luminaries" is as big a load of nonsense as anyone ever imagined. And we're supposed to look to this book as a source of spiritual truth and elevate it to the level of holy writ? May as well add Mad Magazine to the canon.

...we wouldn't have enough pagan-sounding codswallop being taken seriously

Nice dodging the question I presented to you, give up already? I'll wait.

 

[Jamdoc]

I mean too be fair, there are parts of Enoch that seem wrong, such as the heights of the giants, and that Enoch would be able to write a book about Noah, when Enoch had been raptured before Noah was born.

But I'm wondering why Jesus and the apostles made reference to it, if it's just a book of lies?

 

[ChetSinger]

Jamdoc, I believe you're overthinking this. While I accept the angelic interpretation of Genesis 6, I think it was just an immorality that happened in the distant past, and those angels were punished for it, and their punishment was so severe that it hasn't been repeated. I don't see the New Testament itself riffing on this, other than twice briefly referring to it.

 

[Jipsah]

Nice dodging the question I presented to you, give up already? I'll wait.

I thought my answer was quite clear. The "Enoch" that we have is rubbish. I don't know what source our Lord was quoting, nor in truth, do you. You assume it was "Enoch". I assume that it was something other than the "Enoch" we possess, since so much of our "Enoch" is simply fiction. Does that clarify things for you?

Direct question for you - how much of a document can be unquestionably false and it still be considered to be holy writ? I have a fairly low tolerance for hogwash when it comes to stuff that are peddled as the Word of God. It appears that your mileage may vary in that regard.

 

[Paul4JC]

I mean too be fair, there are parts of Enoch that seem wrong, such as the heights of the giants, and that Enoch would be able to write a book about Noah, when Enoch had been raptured before Noah was born.

But I'm wondering why Jesus and the apostles made reference to it, if it's just a book of lies?

Enoch prophesied per Jude vs14 so he could have also prophesied about Noah.

I don't worry about those who don't agree with 1 Enoch, but I do worry about the childish and unChristian name-calling people use. What if all of CF was filled with such comments when people disagree or disliked something? It's hard to contribute and have constructive discussions when such attacks are permitted at CF.

You've probably seen the other threads about 1 Enoch, especially in the Messianic forum where there's no name-calling.

There are many credible points about the book including early church fathers acknowledging it as well as fragments found in the dead sea scrolls.

As far as versions, I use Nickelsburg's Hermeneia Translation. There is some funny wording in some other versions, but not any less than the KJV bible at times.

 

[Jamdoc]

I thought my answer was quite clear. The "Enoch" that we have is rubbish. I don't know what source our Lord was quoting, nor in truth, do you. You assume it was "Enoch". I assume that it was something other than the "Enoch" we possess, since so much of our "Enoch" is simply fiction. Does that clarify things for you?

Direct question for you - how much of a document can be unquestionably false and it still be considered to be holy writ? I have a fairly low tolerance for hogwash when it comes to stuff that are peddled as the Word of God. It appears that your mileage may vary in that regard.

That wasn't the question I asked.

The question I asked was what scripture was Jesus referring to the Sadducees not knowing before going into a doctrine that as far as I can figure out, is not in any canon old testament scripture.

This is what Jesus said

Matthew 22

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Show me what old Testament scripture Jesus was referring to that this doctrine could be gotten from.. because as far as I can tell.. there is not an inkling of this doctrine in the Old Testament.

But Jesus gave it as "if you had read the scriptures you wouldn't even be asking this question"

But in I Enoch 5...

22 And one of the holy ones came to me and waked me, and He made me rise up and approach the door, and I bowed my face downwards.
23 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: "Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness. Approach hither and hear my voice.
24 And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: 'You should intercede for men, and not men for you. Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants as your sons.
25 And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die and perish.
26 Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth.
27 But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.

The same doctrine, and for the same reason that Jesus gave.

 

[Jamdoc]

Jamdoc, I believe you're overthinking this. While I accept the angelic interpretation of Genesis 6, I think it was just an immorality that happened in the distant past, and those angels were punished for it, and their punishment was so severe that it hasn't been repeated. I don't see the New Testament itself riffing on this, other than twice briefly referring to it.

Well, it has some eternally problematic implications. Namely that there are 2 times, where a created being, who had walked with God, and in the Angel's case, beheld Him in heaven in all His glory... and still chose women over obeying God.

What will prevent us, from having a desire of women in eternity, if even angels who beheld God in all His glory, created explicitly to serve Him, and dwell in heaven for ever and ever, not even having ever been created with a biological need for them... could choose them over obeying God?

Removing a biological drive doesn't seem to solve it, Angels never had that biological drive.
Beholding God's glory doesn't seem to solve it, as Angels beheld God in all His glory and still chose otherwise.
Living forever doesn't seem to solve it, as both Adam, and the Angels were originally created to live forever, both still chose women. Adam chose to die with his wife rather than live forever without her (Adam was not deceived, God's admonition of Adam was that he hearkened to the voice of his wife, Adam made an intentional choice), and if I Enoch were to be believed, the Angels knew that it would be a sin to take wives, their leader made them all bind themselves to a covenant to do the sin anyway.

In eternity, God takes away the gift of marriage. So there is no legal means to fulfill that desire.
How does the sin never happen?

again, lack of biological need to reproduce, beholding God's glory, and eternal life none seem to be sufficient means of preventing that desire.

 

[ChetSinger]

Well, it has some eternally problematic implications. Namely that there are 2 times, where a created being, who had walked with God, and in the Angel's case, beheld Him in heaven in all His glory... and still chose women over obeying God.

What will prevent us, from having a desire of women in eternity, if even angels who beheld God in all His glory, created explicitly to serve Him, and dwell in heaven for ever and ever, not even having ever been created with a biological need for them... could choose them over obeying God?

Removing a biological drive doesn't seem to solve it, Angels never had that biological drive.
Beholding God's glory doesn't seem to solve it, as Angels beheld God in all His glory and still chose otherwise.
Living forever doesn't seem to solve it, as both Adam, and the Angels were originally created to live forever, both still chose women. Adam chose to die with his wife rather than live forever without her (Adam was not deceived, God's admonition of Adam was that he hearkened to the voice of his wife, Adam made an intentional choice), and if I Enoch were to be believed, the Angels knew that it would be a sin to take wives, their leader made them all bind themselves to a covenant to do the sin anyway.

In eternity, God takes away the gift of marriage. So there is no legal means to fulfill that desire.
How does the sin never happen?

again, lack of biological need to reproduce, beholding God's glory, and eternal life none seem to be sufficient means of preventing that desire.

I think I might be getting it now. And it's a more general question: are you concerned about us sinning in the next age, after the resurrection?

 

[Jamdoc]

I think I might be getting it now. And it's a more general question: are you concerned about us sinning in the next age, after the resurrection?

Yes, because that's the one sin where just simply walking in love cannot prevent, in fact love would be a gateway to it, if there was not a legal means of consummating it, and the admonition throughout scripture is the flee fornication, because it's understood to be such a huge temptation. We're told to resist the devil and he will flee, but fornication? We're to flee instead.

So, no marriage, so we just have this potential sin hang over our heads forever that we have to resist forever?

Or barbie and ken doll bodies
or totally lobotomized without free will
Or, women are all converted to men

None of those sound like ideal eternities.

Scripture has not answered it, scripture has led to more troubling questions..

 

[Paul4JC]

#1 it lends credence to I Enoch, which Jude, and Peter reference, Jude directly quoting, and Jesus appeared to reference in Matthew 22 (there is NOWHERE in the canon old testament that indicates marriage doesn't exist after the resurrection, but I Enoch gives the same rationale for there not being marriage after the resurrection as Jesus gave... even though it's a difficult thing to take in and kind of makes little sense as women, marriage and procreation were introduced BEFORE the fall, not after, but the rationale of no marriage and no procreation because no death is hard to reconcile with there not being death until the fall but marriage existed before the fall)

Very interesting point. The marriage of Adam and Eve existed in an earthly sense. From other texts (Book of Adam and Eve) they do seem to have a special kind of glory before the fall but it must not have been angelic. [1Co 15:40 NET] And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. The glory of the heavenly body is one sort and the earthly another.

#2 It challenges very popular beliefs such as, simply seeing God's glory eliminates all desire for anything like sex or children, just staring at God fulfills all desires. Popular teaching but, if Angels who lived in Heaven and beheld God in all His glory chose to "leave their first estate" to marry human women and have children... why wouldn't we? If God's glory was all we'd ever need, why'd God provide other things and other gifts? Angels were created just to glorify God, and God never gave them things like food, a planet, animals, women, etc. So if any being would be totally fulfilled by God's glory, and desire nothing else.. it'd be Angels... but they still chose other things, they still chased after "strange flesh". Meanwhile we were given many other things, and given desires for those other things, to be fulfilled by things other than staring at Jesus. Praising God doesn't satiate hunger or thirst drive for instance, God PROVIDED the means to satiate them instead.

I think it's important to understand though sexual defilement took place, it was not the actual goal, but rather the destruction of the Seed of God was the goal. The first prophecy of the entire Bible is [Gen 3:15 NASB95] And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel." This was the goal of the fallen angels, which led them to "leave their first estate" which once they left they could never return. Angels have many, many, more duties besides glorifying God. 1 Enoch shows how angels run all creation for God, including the lumanaries, winds, rains, seasons, etc. The move of the fallen angels was so drastic that the earth and all life had to be wiped out in the flood as humanity reached a point of no return because of the defiled and contaminated DNA. Besides that, 1 Enoch states that they taught humanity how to sin in new ways. [Gen 6:5 NIV] The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 1 Enoch 8:1 Asael taught men to make swords of iron and weapons and shields and breastplates and every instrument of war. He showed them metals of the earth and how they should work gold to fashion it suitably, and concerning silver, to fashion it for bracelets and ornaments for women. And he showed them concerning antimony and eye paint and all manner of precious stones and dyes. And the sons of men made them for themselves and for their daughters, and they transgressed and led the holy ones astray.[25] 2/ And there was much godlessness on the earth, and they made their ways desolate. 3 Shemihazah taught spells and the cutting of roots. Hermani taught sorcery for the loosing of spells and magic and skill. Baraqel taught the signs of the lightning flashes. Kokabel taught the signs of the stars. Ziqel taught the signs of the shooting stars. Arteqoph taught the signs of the earth. Shamsiel taught the signs of the sun. Sahriel taught the signs of the moon. And they all began to reveal mysteries to their wives and to their children. 4 (And) as men were perishing, the cry went up to heaven.

Only Noah of all humanity was found to be righteous. [Gen 6:9 NIV] This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.

1 Enoch just opens the veil so we get more details of this was done. No God didn't take Enoch away just to play the harp or make daisy chains. [Gen 5:24 NIV] Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.

#3 It also challenges the popular belief that the elimination of sin in the New Earth is accomplished by beholding God's glory wiping away desires for anything else. If Angels can sin, after knowing God's glory but choosing something they didn't even have a biological need for.. wouldn't we also still have that potential, having been designed with needs that are fulfilled by providence rather than directly by beholding glory? Like we're already predisposed to choosing to satiate a need rather than just staring at God and praising Him. Resurrected Jesus still .. ate food for instance, and the imagery given even in Revelation 21 and 22 still involves eating and drinking, biological drives that are fulfilled through things that God provides, rather than just, glory.

It's an interesting perspective but again I don't think the objective was biological but spiritual, and eternal. Satan and friends really wanted to take over heaven and dethrone God. So much so that nothing was "off limit's" including human women.

What prevents us from desiring physical intimacy from the opposite gender when even Angels desired it?

Does God just.. make us all Barbie and Ken dolls so we're physically incapable?
Does God change all women into men? I mean after all, only the male gender is really addressed in the later chapters of Resurrection aside from the bride imagery, the New Jerusalem is referred to by feminine pronouns, but the individuals, the overcomers, are referred to by masculine pronouns only.

new biology doesn't solve it, living in love doesn't solve it, and if God's not providing a means for it, then it becomes an unmet desire, as it was an unmet desire for the Angels, and so they thought to fulfill it on their own.
Again, they had a clear objective [Isa 14:12-14 NET] 12 Look how you have fallen from the sky, O shining one, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, O conqueror of the nations! 13 You said to yourself, "I will climb up to the sky. Above the stars of El I will set up my throne. I will rule on the mountain of assembly on the remote slopes of Zaphon. 14 I will climb up to the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High! "[Eze 28:13-19 NIV] You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. 14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. 16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. 17 Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. 18 By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching. 19 All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and will be no more.' " 1 Enoch 6:4 And they all answered him and said, “Let us all swear an oath, and let us all bind one another with a curse, that none of us turn back from this counsel until we fulfill it and do this deed.” 5 Then they all swore together and bound one another with a curse. 6/ And they were, all of them, two hundred, who descended in the days of Jared onto the peak of Mount Hermon. And they called the mountain “Hermon” because they swore and bound one another with a curse on it.

... new biology doesn't solve it, living in love doesn't solve it, and if God's not providing a means for it, then it becomes an unmet desire, as it was an unmet desire for the Angels, and so they thought to fulfill it on their own.

So no, it's not about unmet desire of angels, but a spiritual war of wars, a seed war which the fallen angels have lost.
If it were not for the fulfillment of the seed, Jesus Christ, crushing and defeating Satan and his hordes, through the cross we would have no hope [Col 2:15 NIV] 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. He is the hope of glory, not us [Col 1:17] My hope is in him not me. He is the one that makes us worthy of his kingdom. [Phl 3:20-21 NIV] But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body. Again our hope is in Christ and his life, death, and resurrection, nothing more, nothing less. [1Co 15:16-20 NIV] 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. 20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

 

[Jamdoc]

Very interesting point. The marriage of Adam and Eve existed in an earthly sense. From other texts (Book of Adam and Eve) they do seem to have a special kind of glory before the fall but it must not have been angelic. [1Co 15:40 NET] And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. The glory of the heavenly body is one sort and the earthly another.

I think it's important to understand though sexual defilement took place, it was not the actual goal, but rather the destruction of the Seed of God was the goal. The first prophecy of the entire Bible is [Gen 3:15 NASB95] And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel." This was the goal of the fallen angels, which led them to "leave their first estate" which once they left they could never return. Angels have many, many, more duties besides glorifying God. 1 Enoch shows how angels run all creation for God, including the lumanaries, winds, rains, seasons, etc. The move of the fallen angels was so drastic that the earth and all life had to be wiped out in the flood as humanity reached a point of no return because of the defiled and contaminated DNA. Besides that, 1 Enoch states that they taught humanity how to sin in new ways. [Gen 6:5 NIV] The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 1 Enoch 8:1 Asael taught men to make swords of iron and weapons and shields and breastplates and every instrument of war. He showed them metals of the earth and how they should work gold to fashion it suitably, and concerning silver, to fashion it for bracelets and ornaments for women. And he showed them concerning antimony and eye paint and all manner of precious stones and dyes. And the sons of men made them for themselves and for their daughters, and they transgressed and led the holy ones astray.[25] 2/ And there was much godlessness on the earth, and they made their ways desolate. 3 Shemihazah taught spells and the cutting of roots. Hermani taught sorcery for the loosing of spells and magic and skill. Baraqel taught the signs of the lightning flashes. Kokabel taught the signs of the stars. Ziqel taught the signs of the shooting stars. Arteqoph taught the signs of the earth. Shamsiel taught the signs of the sun. Sahriel taught the signs of the moon. And they all began to reveal mysteries to their wives and to their children. 4 (And) as men were perishing, the cry went up to heaven.

Only Noah of all humanity was found to be righteous. [Gen 6:9 NIV] This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.

1 Enoch just opens the veil so we get more details of this was done. No God didn't take Enoch away just to play the harp or make daisy chains. [Gen 5:24 NIV] Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.

It's an interesting perspective but again I don't think the objective was biological but spiritual, and eternal. Satan and friends really wanted to take over heaven and dethrone God. So much so that nothing was "off limit's" including human women.

new biology doesn't solve it, living in love doesn't solve it, and if God's not providing a means for it, then it becomes an unmet desire, as it was an unmet desire for the Angels, and so they thought to fulfill it on their own.
Again, they had a clear objective [Isa 14:12-14 NET] 12 Look how you have fallen from the sky, O shining one, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, O conqueror of the nations! 13 You said to yourself, "I will climb up to the sky. Above the stars of El I will set up my throne. I will rule on the mountain of assembly on the remote slopes of Zaphon. 14 I will climb up to the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High! "[Eze 28:13-19 NIV] You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. 14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. 16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. 17 Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. 18 By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching. 19 All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and will be no more.' " 1 Enoch 6:4 And they all answered him and said, “Let us all swear an oath, and let us all bind one another with a curse, that none of us turn back from this counsel until we fulfill it and do this deed.” 5 Then they all swore together and bound one another with a curse. 6/ And they were, all of them, two hundred, who descended in the days of Jared onto the peak of Mount Hermon. And they called the mountain “Hermon” because they swore and bound one another with a curse on it.


So no, it's not about unmet desire of angels, but a spiritual war of wars, a seed war which the fallen angels have lost.
If it were not for the fulfillment of the seed, Jesus Christ, crushing and defeating Satan and his hordes, through the cross we would have no hope [Col 2:15 NIV] 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. He is the hope of glory, not us [Col 1:17] My hope is in him not me. He is the one that makes us worthy of his kingdom. [Phl 3:20-21 NIV] But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body. Again our hope is in Christ and his life, death, and resurrection, nothing more, nothing less. [1Co 15:16-20 NIV] 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. 20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

Well the language in Genesis 6 indicates that it was a desire for the women, noting that they were beautiful. I Enoch also points this out, and when the Angels are told they have sinned and will be punished for it, they seek intercession from Enoch, begging for forgiveness. So by that text, the motivation was not deliberately intending to dethrone God (though the serpent may have used their desire to wage HIS war against God, it seems like the watchers actually got duped by their leader), and part of the punishment that God would mete out is for the children of the watchers, whom they loved, fight and kill each other and the watchers had to witness it.

So from Genesis 6 and Enoch, it's a desire for women and to have offspring that drove them, Enoch specifically says that the watchers lusted after the women.
and Genesis 6 goes that route as well, emphasizing that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair.
So while Satan may have been looking to it as a means of corrupting the seed, they had lust for women. It was perhaps, not something that the angels would have had an idea on their own to do, until Satan put the idea in their minds, but what they did was lust, the text was not saying this was a plan to corrupt the seed, but that the sons of God saw that they were fair and wanted wives.

 

[ChetSinger]

Yes, because that's the one sin where just simply walking in love cannot prevent, in fact love would be a gateway to it, if there was not a legal means of consummating it, and the admonition throughout scripture is the flee fornication, because it's understood to be such a huge temptation. We're told to resist the devil and he will flee, but fornication? We're to flee instead.

So, no marriage, so we just have this potential sin hang over our heads forever that we have to resist forever?

Or barbie and ken doll bodies
or totally lobotomized without free will
Or, women are all converted to men

None of those sound like ideal eternities.

Scripture has not answered it, scripture has led to more troubling questions..

I don't see the New Testament worrying about this. In the resurrection we'll be "glorified" humans, whatever that entails. We won't be angels, and we won't be restored to pre-Fall existence. We'll be something else completely: we'll be like Christ, because we'll see him as he is. And he had free will yet never sinned. So, I think like him we'll have free will yet never sin.

If the New Testament isn't worried about then I won't be, either. Paul writes that no one has ever seen, heard, or even imagined what our resurrected existence will be like. I don't think you need be concerned about this.