If the Kavanaugh accusations are true...

[Go Braves]

This is true. And as I mentioned earlier this is happening because multiple accusers are coming forward.

We just may find out on Monday or sooner more women show up in the media claiming Kavanaugh assaulted them.

Well as I already explained to you, though some priests had multiple victims come forward some did not. Same with plenty of others folks who had 1 victim but not multiple victims. Also explained why if there are more women who've been assaulted by Kavanaugh, Trump has done his dang best to make sure they are terrified as heck about coming forward. They'll likely be subjected to death threats, harassment, having their lives upended.

 

[Aldebaran]

Absolutely no-one is suggesting an accusation should just be taken at face value. Literally no-one here has said that.

You're not suggesting accusations be taken at face value, but you obviously place no value on being able to face an accuser.

 

[Go Braves]

From Kavanaugh's alma mater:
Brett Kavanaugh Allegations Should be Investigated by FBI, Say Nearly 50 Yale Law Faculty Members

As the Senate Judiciary Committee debates Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination, we write as faculty members of Yale Law School, from which Judge Kavanaugh graduated, to urge that the Senate conduct a fair and deliberate confirmation process. With so much at stake for the Supreme Court and the nation, we are concerned about a rush to judgment that threatens both the integrity of the process and the public’s confidence in the Court.

Open Letter to Senate Judiciary Committee from Yale Law Faculty

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

His lawyer should certainly have the right to do so (if this was a court case). It would be extremely ‘extraordinary’ for the accused to try and do so.

The reason why it would be extraordinary is because defendants very rarely represent themselves. An attorney's work, however, is purely on behalf of his client. He is a stand in for his client. The cause of the defense is the cause of the defendant. If I have to explain the elementary principles of law to you, this is going to get tiresome.

No thanks, your ‘Justice system’ is all too often a sick joke.

It appears then that you are spouting off about something you not only know nothing about, but don't want to know anything about...

Also explained why if there are more women who've been assaulted by Kavanaugh, Trump has done his dang best to make sure they are terrified as heck about coming forward.

Trump has expressly said he wants to see Ford testify, and that it would be unfortunate if she did not...

 

[Aldebaran]

It's a possibility -- this could be more for her own benefit; many sexual assault victims find a sense of closure in confronting their accusers.

The idea that she's somehow in this for money seems farfetched -- the civil statute of limitations has long since expired.

Just wait until this is all over and the women of The View, Oprah, Ellen Degeneres and others have her on their shows to have the hosts and audience act as cheerleaders for her, and probably encourage her to run for office to combat all the "evil men" currently in power. Trial by media and public opinion will continue in that way long after she's done what she's going to do (or not do) in front of the Senate.

 

[redleghunter]

It's an interesting paradox, isn't it?

When a woman says she's been raped, the default position is that she's right. As soon as she gives a name and says she was raped by ____________, the default position is that she's wrong.

You do hit up upon the political aspects.

Given the thread and knowing women who were sexually assaulted in the military and civilian life, I can’t emphasize the critical importance of reporting events and getting to an ER immediately. That is the only way the rapists will be charged and convicted and put away.

The “he said she said” cases which go to court usually end up in favor of the defendant.

I’ve witnessed even cases with eyewitnesses end up on the DA or CID cutting room floor given there was not physical evidence. It’s a sad state and what needs to come out of the #metoo generation is that women (and men) need to report sexual assault immediately and fully.

 

[Go Braves]

Trump has expressly said he wants to see Ford testify, and that it would be unfortunate if she did not...

Lulz. Do you think that's genuine? Despite Trump's aides imploring him not to, he publicly took swipes at her.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Just wait until this is all over and the women of The View, Oprah, Ellen Degeneres and others have her on their shows to have the hosts and audience act as cheerleaders for her, and probably encourage her to run for office to combat all the "evil men" currently in power.

Not seeing the money in that.... Neither Oprah nor The View pay their guests, afaik.

Trial by media and public opinion will continue in that way long after she's done what she's going to do (or not do) in front of the Senate.

They do so in all things -- but the people will forget this outrage as soon as the next outrage hits the front page.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You do hit up upon the political aspects.

Given the thread and knowing women who were sexually assaulted in the military and civilian life, I can’t emphasize the critical importance of reporting events and getting to an ER immediately. That is the only way the rapists will be charged and convicted and put away.

The “he said she said” cases which go to court usually end up in favor of the defendant.

I’ve witnessed even cases with eyewitnesses end up on the DA or CID cutting room floor given there was not physical evidence. It’s a sad state and what needs to come out of the #metoo generation is that women (and men) need to report sexual assault immediately and fully.

And yet even so, people remember cases like Brock Turner... one shudders to think what the scene was like 30 years ago.

 

[Kentonio]

You're not suggesting accusations be taken at face value, but you obviously place no value on being able to face an accuser.

There is absolutely no value in physically facing an accuser. None. That has absolutely nothing to do with taking accusations at face value. Apart from them both containing the word ‘face’, I really don’t see the connection.

 

[Kentonio]

The reason why it would be extraordinary is because defendants very rarely represent themselves. An attorney's work, however, is purely on behalf of his client. He is a stand in for his client. The cause of the defense is the cause of the defendant. If I have to explain the elementary principles of law to you, this is going to get tiresome.

If an accused person wishes to represent themselves they have every right to do so. They’ll also almost certainly lose, which rebalances the equation somewhat.

It appears then that you are spouting off about something you not only know nothing about, but don't want to know anything about...

Your country tries children as adults based on purely emotive reasoning, executes the mentally ill, has repeatedly executed innocent people despite almost overwhelming evidence coming to light of their innocence after their conviction, and allows the rich and powerful to negotiate insultingly small sentences for extremely serious offenses. So yes, your justice system is all too often a cruel joke.

 

[Aldebaran]

There is absolutely no value in physically facing an accuser. None. That has absolutely nothing to do with taking accusations at face value. Apart from them both containing the word ‘face’, I really don’t see the connection.

If someone is willing to accuse you of something serious, they should have the guts to do it to your face.

 

[redleghunter]

Most western countries now allow rape and sexual assault victims to give testimony behind a screen to avoid exactly this kind of intimidation. It’s a huge psychological burden on top of what is already a deeply harrowing and traumatic experience. Someone who has suffered the most intimate of violations then has to stand in court and be cross examined about intimate aspects of their lives by complete strangers, often in an extremely hostile way. So on top of that they should have to do this while their violator stares at them? You don’t see the issue here?

I do sympathize with the emotional and psychological aspects. Problem with the behind the screen testimony is the accused does not have a chance to testify of the identity of the accuser.

The actual identity of the accuser might provide exculpatory evidence in the case.

 

[redleghunter]

You can be sympathetic with what someone may have gone through without resorting to the idea that if a person makes a serious enough accusation, we must believe them. That opens the door to plenty of abuse that I doubt you yourself would want to be subjected to by people who want to bring you down and know they can do it with nothing more than an accusation.

In fact that is why we have due process.

 

[redleghunter]

Well as I already explained to you, though some priests had multiple victims come forward some did not. Same with plenty of others folks who had 1 victim but not multiple victims. Also explained why if there are more women who've been assaulted by Kavanaugh, Trump has done his dang best to make sure they are terrified as heck about coming forward. They'll likely be subjected to death threats, harassment, having their lives upended.

More women did come forward with the Roy Moore election last year.

I’m sure in this case if there are other accusers they will come forward. All they have to do is write a sworn letter to the Senate Judiciary committee...instead of Feinstein and they are bound to keep their information safe.

 

[redleghunter]

From Kavanaugh's alma mater:
Brett Kavanaugh Allegations Should be Investigated by FBI, Say Nearly 50 Yale Law Faculty Members



Open Letter to Senate Judiciary Committee from Yale Law Faculty

Is that surprising to you?

 

[Kentonio]

I do sympathize with the emotional and psychological aspects. Problem with the behind the screen testimony is the accused does not have a chance to testify of the identity of the accuser.

The actual identity of the accuser might provide exculpatory evidence in the case.

That’s a very reasonable point when issues of identity are involved, although I believe they can get around those using photographs or video. I don’t believe it’s a common issue though.

 

[comana]

If someone's accusations are true, why would it be intimidating to face the person you're testifying against.

In a case where the accuser is the victim of the defendant's physical attack against them it can be intimidating, terrifying, and cause them to feel as though they are reliving the attack. That alone is a major reason most rapes and sexual assaults don't make it to trial or remain unreported.

 

[Kentonio]

If someone is willing to accuse you of something serious, they should have the guts to do it to your face.

Since when was bravery a requirement for justice? And telling someone who might have been raped that they should have ‘guts’ is more than a little insulting.

 

[Go Braves]

Is that surprising to you?

Not at all, on account of them actually understanding & having respect for our judicial system. It is refreshing!