If the Bible is so cut and dry why do no two Christians agree on doctrine?

Not David · Dec 22, 2018

Handmaid for Jesus said:
No. While every man has the measure of faith, every man does not exercise their faith to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Doesn't faith become a work that way?

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 22, 2018

David Cabrera said:
Doesn't faith become a work that way?

Faith is the gift of God. You don't work to get faith. But faith works. It does not become a work.

Mario David · Dec 22, 2018

this is why I don't know which christian doctrine to follow

hid in him · Dec 22, 2018

Mario David said:
this is why I don't know which christian doctrine to follow

Paul is clear telling us he is OUR Apostle as Gentiles and our doctrine is found in Romans - Philemon especially in Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1st and 2nd Timothy, Titus and Philemon.

Peace be with you.

☦Marius☦ · Dec 22, 2018

Chris V++ said:
Not that it matters but Luther seemed to have a compromise belief about transubstantiation calling it 'sacramental union.' So the protestants, who are chiefly criticized for being sola scriptura, and wanting to adhere to scripture as the primary authority over the traditions of men, can have no claim to have roots in 1st century Christianity, the century when the New Testament was written? Luther was 1st a Catholic anyway, so his Catholic lineage takes him back to the schism and beyond.

Protestants have organizational structures. They don't use the same titles, but they do have leadership structures, confessions, statements of faith.

You keep saying the traditions of men but there is a huge difference between traditions of men and holy tradition given by the holy spirit through the apostles and church Father's. That was the whole point of having councils instead of just founding random traditions here and there. Btw the foundation of all our tradition is the liturgys, the original two being written by the apostles Peter and James.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 22, 2018

There are many opinions here, that cannot be fully discussed in this section.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 22, 2018

Mario David said:
this is why I don't know which christian doctrine to follow

Does ANY doctrine say "follow me" ?

I don't know of any.

Instead, follow Jesus, no matter anything else.

Tutorman · Dec 22, 2018

Neostarwcc said:
Whether it's eternal security or some other basic truth of scripture how come no two Christians will agree with the Bible? I mean there are Christians out there that dont even believe that belief is good enough for salvation when the Bible clearly says "believe in Christ and you will be saved" in multiple spots. I mean its extremely difficult to get the truth out of scripture because everyone will interpret a particular verse differently. Why isn't there just one huge believe all belief that one can pick and say "Okay I believe that. Yay! I am saved now!"? Why all the divisions in the church and among Christians? What is the truth about scripture?

You can blame humanness and the Reformation, once the worms were out of the can that anyone can interpret anyway they see fit it was off to the races so that no two Christians will agree with the others idea of what the Bible says.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 22, 2018

There are Ekklesia who agree, with Jesus, the Father, and all Scripture, as well as living in union with Jesus and the Father and one another.
Seek, and keep seeking, and , God Willing, you shall find.

hid in him · Dec 22, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Does ANY doctrine say "follow me" ?

I don't know of any.

Instead, follow Jesus, no matter anything else.

I’d encourage you to reread Paul’s letters in the KJV with the Spirit and an open mind and see if you change your opinion. It’s good to shake things up get us out of our contented state in faith. Follow our Lord through Paul and it will open your eyes and heart.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 22, 2018

hid in him said:
I’d encourage you to reread Paul’s letters in the KJV with the Spirit and an open mind and see if you change your opinion. It’s good to shake things up get us out of our contented state in faith. Follow our Lord through Paul and it will open your eyes and heart.

You appear to be talking about things you don't know anything about.
And you are bearing false witness, for what reason I don't have any idea.
You seem to imply that you know what God's Word says and that you know something I don't know from God's Word ; that is patently and inherently a false witness from you .
(and very unexpected from you - I never considered you so far off) ....

Serving Zion · Dec 22, 2018

Mario David said:
this is why I don't know which christian doctrine to follow

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Does ANY doctrine say "follow me" ?

I don't know of any.

Instead, follow Jesus, no matter anything else.

Absolutely! .. and while we live in a world where the majority of people don't know Him, let alone speak His words, it can be very difficult for a person to know how He speaks, let alone recognising Him when it is Him (John 14:21).

This page is helpful for that

Damon46789 · Dec 23, 2018

Neostarwcc said:
Whether it's eternal security or some other basic truth of scripture how come no two Christians will agree with the Bible? I mean there are Christians out there that dont even believe that belief is good enough for salvation when the Bible clearly says "believe in Christ and you will be saved" in multiple spots. I mean its extremely difficult to get the truth out of scripture because everyone will interpret a particular verse differently. Why isn't there just one huge believe all belief that one can pick and say "Okay I believe that. Yay! I am saved now!"? Why all the divisions in the church and among Christians? What is the truth about scripture?

People’s desire to sin causes them to create their own doctrines. Those who truly obey God’s commandments will have a shared doctrine that is agreeable for the most part. Faith without works is dead. You have to have both to get to heaven and both are odedience to God’s Holy new covenant.

fhansen · Dec 23, 2018

Neostarwcc said:
Whether it's eternal security or some other basic truth of scripture how come no two Christians will agree with the Bible? I mean there are Christians out there that dont even believe that belief is good enough for salvation when the Bible clearly says "believe in Christ and you will be saved" in multiple spots. I mean its extremely difficult to get the truth out of scripture because everyone will interpret a particular verse differently. Why isn't there just one huge believe all belief that one can pick and say "Okay I believe that. Yay! I am saved now!"? Why all the divisions in the church and among Christians? What is the truth about scripture?

You probably won't like the answer but the truth is that in the past the church never experienced most of the divisions over beliefs that you speak of simply because she always believed what she believed from the beginning. When a question or controversy did arise there was a mechanism to settle it, the councils.

And this is why even today the division between the eastern and western ancient churches is not one of doctrine in any serious manner (anyone looking in from the outside should be amazed at the general or overall agreement in beliefs and practices between east and west after centuries of virtual isolation from each other), but over authority.

In the past, people weren't expected to be armchair theologians or bible scholars; the greater part of past believers were arguably illiterate, in fact.

friend of · Dec 23, 2018

1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Philippians 3:15
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

The more time I spend reading and listening to religious content online, the more contentiousness and argumentation I seem to find. I try to avoid extremes and take complicated matters of theology with a grain of salt as I don't necessarily feel mature enough to take on the meatier elements of the Word of God all the time.

Chris V++ · Dec 23, 2018

☦Marius☦ said:
difference between traditions of men and holy tradition given by the holy spirit through the apostles and church Father's

We have the Holy Spirit too. When a few of us or more are gathered He promised He would attend.

☦Marius☦ said:
Btw the foundation of all our tradition is the liturgys, the original two being written by the apostles Peter and James.

Most of the churches I have attended recite the Lord's Prayer which is taken out of Matthew and is attributed to Jesus.

hid in him · Dec 23, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
You appear to be talking about things you don't know anything about.
And you are bearing false witness, for what reason I don't have any idea.
You seem to imply that you know what God's Word says and that you know something I don't know from God's Word ; that is patently and inherently a false witness from you .
(and very unexpected from you - I never considered you so far off) ....

I just asked you to read Scripture I don’t see how that is wrong.
Who am I but a worm?
Trust our Lord not me I’d have it no other way.

Stone-n-Steel · Dec 23, 2018

Neostarwcc said:
Whether it's eternal security or some other basic truth of scripture how come no two Christians will agree with the Bible? I mean there are Christians out there that dont even believe that belief is good enough for salvation when the Bible clearly says "believe in Christ and you will be saved" in multiple spots. I mean its extremely difficult to get the truth out of scripture because everyone will interpret a particular verse differently. Why isn't there just one huge believe all belief that one can pick and say "Okay I believe that. Yay! I am saved now!"? Why all the divisions in the church and among Christians? What is the truth about scripture?

This may have been stated on this thread already but my simple answer is that the enemy has worked hard to confuse man. God however has given us a life time to come to an understanding of who He is and make the right choice.

My sympathy goes out to those who get lead astray at an early age and anyone who did not have the opportunity to get an education. I do however believe that at some point in your life you are given a real choice and you should hold on to that like a life preserver in the middle of the Ocean.

Here is one of my favorite quotes:

“It shall greatly help ye to understand the Scriptures if thou mark not
only what is spoken or written, but of whom and to whom, with what
words, at what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances,
considering what goeth before and what followeth after. ”
― Miles Coverdale (1488-1569)

BobRyan · Dec 23, 2018

Neostarwcc said:
Whether it's eternal security or some other basic truth of scripture how come no two Christians will agree with the Bible?

1. Christians in entire denominations agree with the Bible
2. What is more -- even BETWEEN denominations we get agreement on certain obvious Bible points ... for example...

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others)

Stone-n-Steel · Dec 23, 2018

BobRyan said:
1. Christians in entire denominations agree with the Bible
2. What is more -- even BETWEEN denominations we get agreement on certain obvious Bible points ... for example...

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others)

Bob, do all of these groups agree on the result or consequence of following the Ten Commandments?

It is actually not hard to believe "in Jesus" but it is another matter to believe "on Jesus".

If the Bible is so cut and dry why do no two Christians agree on doctrine?

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