If the beginnings of Genesis aren't literally true, then what way are they true?

[HitchSlap]

Scientists don't mention Satan all that often. So I'm not sure where you picked that up.

And the interwebz aren't mentioned in the bible, so not sure why you're here?

 

[Doveaman]

If you can't show how this interpretation is consistent with the evidence, would it be okay if we don't believe you?

There is nothing to show. You already have the evidence. It just needs to be explained. It's okay with me if you don't believe my explanation since I don't believe yours. I accept your evidence, but I reject your explanation.

 

[SkyWriting]

And the interwebz aren't mentioned in the bible, so not sure why you're here?

Oh yes. Revelations mentions an increase in communications and travel.
So have no fear. God already played this all out.

 

[paulm50]

What if the evidence could be interpreted to fit a literal Genesis 1, would you accept it as literal?

What if some of us can interpret the evidence to fit a literal Genesis 1, would it be okay with you if we accept it as literal?

Absolutely. Can you?

Truth is often held by the minority.

Wrong. Most Christians now accept Genesis as just a story. Maybe not in your community, come to Europe and see what we say. The various views among Christians.

That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard.

I hope you are not speaking on the behalf of that 99%

Back that up with proof Genesis is right.

 

[ScottA]

We're not sharing what we know, we're sharing what billions have learned.
Show us the one book we keep quoting from to prove that book is right. I can use the bible to show where it contradicts itself.

Are you saying the truth isn't in science and all the evidence that exists, doesn't exist?


Yes I'm saying you are burying your head in a book that's proven wrong, even by using the book. And so far you're unable to offer a shred of evidence you're right. So resorting to pointless posting.

You're the one that said the layers of rock were layers per year. Science is finite, because it is "within" the greater realm of existence. So infinite is in the smaller realm of non existence. Scientific dating is a huge failure. History has proven you wrong. And so on.

Show us one piece of evidence, that's all we ask for. Show us where History has proven us wrong. Then we can have a debate. Or just keep posting we don't understand you.

I AM sharing what I "know." That was my point. And there is a big difference between knowing and what many "learn." But, because I have knowledge outside the realm of science, you may want to put that science away long enough to hear it.

So, I am not saying that science is not correct, I am saying it is the wrong area of expertise. Science deals with time, space, and matter. The Christian area of expertise, deals with both matters of science AND beyond. But, if we are to be respectful of each other's area of expertise, I might try to appeal to you on that level, but I do not mean to debate it with you. I do mean, however, to speak for the area outside the realm of science.

As for evidence, I have already said (many times, perhaps not to you), the evidence is not available outside of you, but within you. To have access to the evidence, it is you who need to show proof of your own sincere interest in that other area (beyond science) and a willingness and a capacity to believe it. If you will not come to those terms, you are denied access. If you did not know it, that, is the way the world was designed. So...is there that one piece of evidence within you?

 

[HitchSlap]

Oh yes. Revelations mentions an increase in communications and travel.
So have no fear. God already played this all out.

*Revelation

Wow, the most knowledgeable god of the universe and everything in it, mentioned "an increase in communications and travel." I'm so underwhelmed.

 

[paulm50]

There is nothing to show. You already have the evidence. It just needs to be explained. It's okay with me if you don't believe my explanation since I don't believe yours. I accept your evidence, but I reject your explanation.

OK, show how you interpret the evidence.
Dinosaurs.
Man being created and missing out all the other hominids, including the ones we shared the land with.
With birds being created and not evolving from dinosaurs.
With Cain and Abel, being Farmers. When it was 490,000 years of more till we started farming.
With the first born, suddenly finding wives.
Cain needing to be marked to show other tribes what he had done, where the tribes came from.
Then the Ark being too small for all the species.

Use evidence from the bible or science.

 

[HitchSlap]

I AM sharing what I "know." That was my point. And there is a big difference between knowing and what many "learn." But, because I have knowledge outside the realm of science, you may want to put that science away long enough to hear it.

So, I am not saying that science is not correct, I am saying it is the wrong area of expertise. Science deals with time, space, and matter. The Christian area of expertise, deals with both matters of science AND beyond. But, if we are to be respectful of each other's area of expertise, I might try to appeal to you on that level, but I do not mean to debate it with you. I do mean, however, to speak for the area outside the realm of science.

As for evidence, I have already said (many times, perhaps not to you), the evidence is not available outside of you, but within you. To have access to the evidence, it is you who need to show proof of your own sincere interest in that other area (beyond science) and a willingness and a capacity to believe it. If you will not come to those terms, you are denied access. If you did not know it, that, is the way the world was designed. So...is there that one piece of evidence within you?

So, to sum up what you just said: Science deals in demonstrable reality, Christian's in metaphysical woo-woo.

Got it.

 

[ScottA]

You copied an argument found on a creationist website. Why would you do that? Why would you go to the least trustworthy source possible, present it, and then pretend as if you aren't leaning one way or the other?

I have no idea what quote you are talking about. Perhaps you mean someone else. Perhaps it's just a bit of information that I am aware of that I said, and you took it as a quote, while I meant it as common knowledge. What is it you are referring to?

 

[paulm50]

I AM sharing what I "know." That was my point. And there is a big difference between knowing and what many "learn." But, because I have knowledge outside the realm of science, you may want to put that science away long enough to hear it.

Then explain it and don't just say I have to believe.

So, I am not saying that science is not correct, I am saying it is the wrong area of expertise. Science deals with time, space, and matter. The Christian area of expertise, deals with both matters of science AND beyond. But, if we are to be respectful of each other's area of expertise, I might try to appeal to you on that level, but I do not mean to debate it with you. I do mean, however, to speak for the area outside the realm of science.

So speak of it and don't ask me to just believe.

As for evidence, I have already said (many times, perhaps not to you), the evidence is not available outside of you, but within you. To have access to the evidence, it is you who need to show proof of your own sincere interest in that other area (beyond science) and a willingness and a capacity to believe it. If you will not come to those terms, you are denied access. If you did not know it, that, is the way the world was designed. So...is there that one piece of evidence within you?

There you go telling me to ignore everything but what you say.
Access to what?
I know the way the world was designed, it was designed to kill as much life on Earth as it can and has done. That evidence is within me, because it's learned. You ask me to undo learning and just take what you say. I ask you to consider science, you need to open up your brain, not heart, soul, spirit. Just the brain, maybe if you do as you ask me, to open up to other things. You might see the truth.
I have more real evidence on my side, all you can tell me is to ignore it and believe what I'm told to.

Oh yes. Revelations mentions an increase in communications and travel.
So have no fear. God already played this all out.

Even John would of known communications and travel. Were bound to get better. Predictions need to a b a lot more accurate. Jesus made some that never came true.

 

[paulm50]

So, to sum up what you just said: Science deals in demonstrable reality, Christian's in metaphysical woo-woo.

Got it.

Wrong. Christianity, to his extreme, requires you to turn off your brain. He says as much when telling us to ignore the collective learning of a 1,000 years. Christians used to burn people for learning too much.

 

[ScottA]

So, to sum up what you just said: Science deals in demonstrable reality, Christian's in metaphysical woo-woo.

Got it.

Since you asked. No, I was trying to be more kind and respectful. It is just the opposite. Science is a closed-circuit activity within a non-time, non-space, non-matter creation conjured up for one purpose and one purpose only: to rid the greater, infinite reality beyond the world, of every little imperfection, once and for all. And, it is finished.

But if you just want to criticize every attempt to let you in on that timeless, higher level of existence, if you just want to look a gift-horse in the mouth, or spit in there face...then you live until you die and then it's over. Meanwhile, you are not welcome. The choice is yours. But this IS a Christian site, I guess it's not in you to show a little respect.

 

[paulm50]

I have no idea what quote you are talking about. Perhaps you mean someone else. Perhaps it's just a bit of information that I am aware of that I said, and you took it as a quote, while I meant it as common knowledge. What is it you are referring to?

It is common knowledge that was a mistake in the lab, it's also common knowledge it was a very rare one.

Trying to call into question the safety of all dating, because of one mistake is absurd.

 

[paulm50]

Science is a closed-circuit activity within a non-time, non-space, non-matter creation conjured up for one purpose and one purpose only: to rid the greater, infinite reality beyond the world, of every little imperfection, once and for all. And, it is finished.

Do you know how insane that sounds, from a person on a computer, on the Internet, because of science. And whose whole life is the result of science?

Look around you and spot one natural thing. Even your birth and health is due to science, most certainly your food, heat, water, power.

Without science we would all be living in caves. Even the simple act of breeding wolves so the most obedient and non aggressive were reared. Was elementary basic science of evolution. OK very rudimentary, still it was our first step, after discovering how to make fire.

 

[HitchSlap]

Since you asked. No, I was trying to be more kind and respectful. It is just the opposite. Science is a closed-circuit activity within a non-time, non-space, non-matter creation conjured up for one purpose and one purpose only: to rid the greater, infinite reality beyond the world, of every little imperfection, once and for all. And, it is finished.

But if you just want to criticize every attempt to let you in on that timeless, higher level of existence, if you just want to look a gift-horse in the mouth, or spit in there face...then you live until you die and then it's over. Meanwhile, you are not welcome. The choice is yours. But this IS a Christian site, I guess it's not in you to show a little respect.

Respect for unreasonable, unsupportable, untenable claims is, well silly. Read my sig.

 

[HitchSlap]

Wrong. Christianity, to his extreme, requires you to turn off your brain. He says as much when telling us to ignore the collective learning of a 1,000 years. Christians used to burn people for learning too much.

He speaks as if he's some exalted guru, immune to answering questions or supporting his assertions.

 

[ScottA]

Then explain it and don't just say I have to believe.

So speak of it and don't ask me to just believe.

There you go telling me to ignore everything but what you say.
Access to what?
I know the way the world was designed, it was designed to kill as much life on Earth as it can and has done. That evidence is within me, because it's learned. You ask me to undo learning and just take what you say. I ask you to consider science, you need to open up your brain, not heart, soul, spirit. Just the brain, maybe if you do as you ask me, to open up to other things. You might see the truth.
I have more real evidence on my side, all you can tell me is to ignore it and believe what I'm told to.
Even John would of known communications and travel. Were bound to get better. Predictions need to a b a lot more accurate. Jesus made some that never came true.

You are not showing any real receptivity. I completely understand that we don't deserve anything more than your remarks as they are. But I am just not sure you are up for lowering your guard enough to have me tell you the truth and not just get the same response. But I will try, or at least get started, and see if you are willing:

Can you agree with me that it is at least conceivable that there is a finite reality and a completely separate infinite reality?

Assuming that you can, let me just throw in a little humor and say, "Congratulations, you shall now inherit the earth!"

Hypothetically speaking, if we can agree that there is both a finite and an infinite reality, can we further agree that it then stands to reason, that the infinite reality would be the greater, while the finite would be the lesser?

Let's start there.

 

[HitchSlap]

You are not showing any real receptivity.
/snip/ nonsensical assertions /snip/

Do we need a special decoder ring?

 

[ScottA]

Do we need a special decoder ring?

Humor? ...No, you're being scanned as we speak.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I can use the bible to show where it contradicts itself.

There are no contradictions in the Bible and nothing has ever been proven to be wrong. There are people who devote their whole life to study the Bible and they still can only begin to understand what a vast source of wisdom, understanding and knowledge there is to be found in the written word of God.