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If suicidals only knew

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Only knew the fallout. the fallout of their suicide. The consequences short and long-term.
I think if you could show them a video of the future consequence, they'd change their mind. They'd see it from other people's point of view.
 

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Maybe that is the key to a lot of problems. Seeing it from other points of view.

It's been written that imagining you are looking at
your immediate situation from the vantage point
of "outer space" helps relieve stress.
 
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If I am pinned under a burning truck with no possible rescue in sight and will definitely roast slowly to death over the next several hours and have a chance to shorten my suffering, I will definitely shorten my suffering and let God be my judge.
 
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Only knew the fallout. the fallout of their suicide. The consequences short and long-term.
I think if you could show them a video of the future consequence, they'd change their mind. They'd see it from other people's point of view.
Neither you nor I know the short and long term consequences in each case (not to mention the fact that we wouldn´t be dealing with simple monocausalities and mono-effectivities, and thus consequences can´t be spotted reliably).
So let´s take this slow.
 
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Can you hear me calling

Do you see me light the candles

Do you feel me shudder to a standstill

When I think of you


You didn’t feel your falling

But that soft slipping into blackness

Rippled tsunamis

Further and further and further


Do you see me write you letters

Do you hear mum cry at night

Do you watch dad pacing

When he thinks of you each night


Your funeral I was numb

Your friends were all stunned

Nanna couldn’t breathe

What next – what step to take – how do I reverse this


Do you think of me at all

Will I get to see you again

Will you come to me in dreams

You’ve left wounds that cant heal


At school I didnt want to speak
It was hard for dad to even go to the shops
All the time thinking and replaying
How can this be stopped and undone
 
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Only knew the fallout. the fallout of their suicide. The consequences short and long-term.
I think if you could show them a video of the future consequence, they'd change their mind. They'd see it from other people's point of view.

If you're seriously depressed you are unable to see anything from someone else's point of view.
And in some cases, a suicidal person may be thinking of others, and genuinely believes those people would be better off without them.
 
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People need to understand that most who commit suicide are not surrounded by loving family and friends who's lives would be shattered by their passing,its not like a TV commercial with all the players in place,loving devoted spouse and children,multitude of great loyal friends etc....suicide occurs because someone is tired of a miserable life they don't want to live anymore not a great life they dont want to live anymore.
 
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Someone attempting suicide is not in their right mind. They don't have the capacity to think rationally let alone abstractly. Now before you get to that point, it may be helpful to see things from outer space or from the POV of others, but once you've crossed the line, all that goes out the window. Your only goal is to relieve your suffering.
 
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Suicide is such a taboo subject to discuss but it is my opinion that discussing it, acts as a prevention strategy. It is certainly my purpose for this thread.
it is such a tragedy that you cant talk some people out of going through with it.
 
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People need to understand that most who commit suicide are not surrounded by loving family and friends who's lives would be shattered by their passing,its not like a TV commercial with all the players in place,loving devoted spouse and children,multitude of great loyal friends etc....suicide occurs because someone is tired of a miserable life they don't want to live anymore not a great life they dont want to live anymore.
Yes I can see where you are coming from but there are those who just come out of the blue. They appear to have everything going for them but are hiding their depression from even their closest friend.
 
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People need to understand that most who commit suicide are not surrounded by loving family and friends who's lives would be shattered by their passing,its not like a TV commercial with all the players in place,loving devoted spouse and children,multitude of great loyal friends etc....suicide occurs because someone is tired of a miserable life they don't want to live anymore not a great life they dont want to live anymore.

i think the point here is two-fold;
1. they may believe that is the case, but over the span of their lives there have to be instances where that's not true, and where they were loved.

2. however believing that premise in your post to be true leaves out one very important person: Jesus Christ.
 
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Of course there is a spectrum, and there are many reasons for suicide, but as one who has been suicidal, known people who were, and known those who have taken their lives, generally speaking, suicide is a selfish act, so I disagree with the premise that if a person knew what suffering their suicide would cause they wouldn't go ahead with it. They do know, but they are too self absorbed to care.

Not all suicide is caused by self-pity, but I think much is. I don't downplay the pain caused by self-pity. The pain produced by self-pity is very real, but self-pity has a basis in the idea that one knows better than God how his life should go. That's it's fundamental problem. Suicide is an expression of rage. It's the ultimate temper tantrum. It's one's way of having the last word, or of, in their minds, flipping God "the bird".

It's counterintuitive, so many can't wrap their heads around this, but, in most cases, people who are suicidal shouldn't be treated as victims and pitied, their sin should be confronted, and they should be encouraged to repent of their idolatry. This idolatry is not always easy to spot, but an example that's easy to see is a young lady who didn't get invited to the prom, at all, or by the wrong guy. Now she holds a bottle of sleeping pills in her hand. . .

Why does she want to kill herself? Because rather than finding her identity in Christ, she seeks to find it in the affection of a young man. Her "god" is the guy that sits in front of her in biology class. She worships him. She places her faith in him to "save" her. Now, we might be quick to excuse her actions, and downplay her idolatry, but if we don't let our emotions rule us, we can see that what his young lady has done is to elevate a good thing, a date to the prom, to an ultimate thing, a place that only God can hold, and this is the essence of idolatry. It's why and how we violate the first commandment.

Rather than conforming her life to God's commands, she conforms her every word and deed to her idol. She figuratively and literally serves her idol, and we have all done similarly. The problem is that idols never deliver on their promises. When you fail to serve them perfectly they kill you. There is no mercy. The guy in biology class went to the prom with the girl with thinner thighs and a bigger chest. . . Now she wants to kill herself because God didn't make her physically attractive enough to have her idol.

There is nothing innocent about her suicide. It's sin through and through, and if we are to help people like her from the same fate, we must expose and confront the sin and reconcile them to the Living God who, when you let Him down, when you fail Him, dies in order to rescue you.
 
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Of course there is a spectrum, and there are many reasons for suicide, but as one who has been suicidal, known people who were, and known those who have taken their lives, generally speaking, suicide is a selfish act, so I disagree with the premise that if a person knew what suffering their suicide would cause they wouldn't go ahead with it. They do know, but they are too self absorbed to care.

Not all suicide is caused by self-pity, but I think much is. I don't downplay the pain caused by self-pity. The pain produced by self-pity is very real, but self-pity has a basis in the idea that one knows better than God how his life should go. That's it's fundamental problem. Suicide is an expression of rage. It's the ultimate temper tantrum. It's one's way of having the last word, or of, in their minds, flipping God "the bird".

It's counterintuitive, and many can't wrap their heads around this, but people who are suicidal shouldn't be treated as victims and pitied, their sin should be confronted, and they should be encouraged to repent of their idolatry. This idolatry is not always easy to spot, but an example that's easy to see is a young lady who didn't get invited to the prom, at all, or by the wrong guy. Now she holds a bottle of sleeping pills in her had. . .

Why does she want to kill herself? Because rather than finding her identity in Christ, she seeks to find it in the affection of a young man. Her "god" is the guy that sits in front of her in biology class. She worships him. She places her faith in him to "save" her. Now, we might be quick to excuse her actions, and downplay her idolatry, but if we don't let our emotions rule us, we can see that what his young lady has done is to elevate a good thing, a date to the prom, to an ultimate thing, a place that only God can hold, and this is the essence of idolatry. It's why and how we violate the first commandment.

Rather than conforming her life to God's commands, she conforms her every word and deed to her idol. She figuratively and literally serves her idol, and we have all done similarly. The problem is that idols never deliver on their promises. When you fail to serve them perfectly they kill you. There is no mercy. The guy in biology class went to the prom with the girl with thinner thighs and a bigger chest. . . Now she wants to kill herself because God didn't make her physically attractive enough to have her idol.

There is nothing innocent about her suicide. It's sin through and through, and if we are to help people like her from the same fate, we must expose and confront the sin and reconcile them to the Living God who, when you let Him down, when you fail Him, dies in order to rescue you.
I didnt like your answer at all. I wish I could delete it.
 
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