If POT wasnt ILLEGAL would it be bad

[Niffer]

What is the point of smoking something if its bad for you but does not have a positive effect like pot does.

Because Shisha is delicious. It's meant to be smoked while drinking tea, and is a social activity.
One hookah can have several pipes, so more than one person can smoke at a time - plus you can mix flavours - my favourite being coconut and coffee.

It's more like flavoured steam than smoke. As in, it doesn't stick to clothing or has a lingering smell. It evaporates, so you breathe it in to have it flavour your mouth.

Thats why people do it.. you don't need to smoke just to enjoy a 'high'.

- Niff.

 

[jut199]

I really can't see Jesus smoking pot. It ruins the body and mind in my opinion.

 

[janman345]

I really can't see Jesus smoking pot. It ruins the body and mind in my opinion.

So does getting crusified.

 

[Niffer]

I really can't see Jesus smoking pot. It ruins the body and mind in my opinion.

But Christ drank alcohol fairly regularly, you'll remember.

- Niff

 

[fm107]

But Christ drank alcohol fairly regularly, you'll remember.

- Niff

Jesus drank wine, that's true.

But water back in those days was not in the ample supply it is in today, it was unsafe to drink and had a chance of carry disease.

Wine back then was much weaker than it is today as well.

Jesus drank wine as a way of quenching thirst, there was absolutely no other reason.

In today's world we have ample supply purified water.

Drinking a little wine is ok, we do this when we break bread together at Church.

In no way though does that mean we can go and drink alcoholic drinks and get drunk, that would be sin as it contradicts scripture (God's word).

 

[fm107]

So does getting crusified.

That's deplorable.

 

[Aibrean]

And alcohol in moderation is both healthy and does not impair judgment or consciousness.

 

[janman345]

I think smoking pot in controled amounts in moderation could help the stress problems we have in this nation. Stress is a seroius issue in this day and time in the USA with long work hours, few options for raising kids (ie no real social support structure), and low pay is the most recent development. These enviornmental factors have serious medical implications stress wise.

 

[janman345]

That's deplorable.

Then one should not make rediculus arguments against doing something. Yes, breathing any kind of smoke into your lungs is not good for you, but neither is being stressed to the max 24/7 which is why some people smoke (not talking about the stoners who do it 24/7), they would 10 hrs a day and have 1-2 kids, maybe one is ADD what do you expect them to do.

 

[Life2Christ]

I think smoking pot in controled amounts in moderation could help the stress problems we have in this nation. Stress is a seroius issue in this day and time in the USA with long work hours, few options for raising kids (ie no real social support structure), and low pay is the most recent development. These enviornmental factors have serious medical implications stress wise.

You are rationalizing and justifying.

 

[janman345]

You are rationalizing and justifying.

It is truely amazing at the number of CF members that take jabs but offer no useful alternatives. How would you recommend some people deal with stress, bearing in mind most people dont have the money or flexibility to take vacations or put their kids in extended day care etc etc.

 

[fm107]

I think smoking pot in controled amounts in moderation could help the stress problems we have in this nation. Stress is a seroius issue in this day and time in the USA with long work hours, few options for raising kids (ie no real social support structure), and low pay is the most recent development. These enviornmental factors have serious medical implications stress wise.

A pitiful argument.

In comparison to less than 200 years ago let alone 2000 years ago (when Christ was around) people work far less hours for much more money. There is far more options for raising kids that back then too.

So really there is less reason for smoking pot today than back then.

 

[Life2Christ]

How would you recommend some people deal with stress, bearing in mind most people dont have the money or flexibility to take vacations or put their kids in extended day care etc etc.

It doesn't take money to spend time in prayer or take a walk or exercise or do about 1000 different healthy things to relieve stress. And by the way, it takes $$$$$ to buy pot so don't play the "how can poor people do it" card.

 

[janman345]

A pitiful argument.

In comparison to less than 200 years ago let alone 2000 years ago (when Christ was around) people work far less hours for much more money. There is far more options for raising kids that back then too.

So really there is less reason for smoking pot today than back then.

Who says that people back in the day did not use alternative substances, also people back in the day were lucky if they lived to be 20 years old. In this particular disucssoin and instance I am not comparing 2000 years ago to now becuase we have developed as a species, but if you compare 20-50 years ago stress levels are much worse now due to longer hours at lower pay and less social support for kids, so that stress has to be managed some how otherwise you will die alot sooner. Some are lucky enough to get living wage pay to fund REGULAR nice long vacations away from kids and have hired help to deal with the kid and work normal hours so they can relax normally, but most people dont have thoes luxurys so they have to live with the stress 24/7.

Also please dont start the discussion with your argument is pitiful it makes you look like an idiot.

 

[janman345]

It doesn't take money to spend time in prayer or take a walk or exercise or do about 1000 different healthy things to relieve stress. And by the way, it takes $$$$$ to buy pot so don't play the "how can poor people do it" card.

Im not playing a card im playing devils advocate, and please stop with the personal attacks, do you turn a decent conversation to malitious attacks in real life geez. Yes that is true you can excersize, in fact I have to do more of that to relieve some stress and get my body fit myself. Some people are in much tougher situations that I am though (also you can grow your own to manage the costs).

 

[fm107]

Who says that people back in the day did not use alternative substances, also people back in the day were lucky if they lived to be 20 years old. In this particular disucssoin and instance I am not comparing 2000 years ago to now becuase we have developed as a species, but if you compare 20-50 years ago stress levels are much worse now due to longer hours at lower pay and less social support for kids, so that stress has to be managed some how otherwise you will die alot sooner. Some are lucky enough to get living wage pay to fund REGULAR nice long vacations away from kids and have hired help to deal with the kid and work normal hours so they can relax normally, but most people dont have thoes luxurys so they have to live with the stress 24/7.

Also please dont start the discussion with your argument is pitiful it makes you look like an idiot.

Firstly, people generally lived much longer than 20 years of age 200 years ago. Jesus was around 33 years old when he was crucified . Ever since then living conditions and quality of life have increased which also raise the chance of living longer lives i.e. people washing more frequently etc.

Instead of turning to drugs to get rid of any stress you have, why not turn to God? Why?

Here is the answer to all of the above and it's not drugs:

Proverbs 3:1
My son, do not forget my teaching, but keep my commands in your heart, for they will prolong your life many years and bring you prosperity.

 

[Moraiah]

A pitiful argument.

In comparison to less than 200 years ago let alone 2000 years ago (when Christ was around) people work far less hours for much more money. There is far more options for raising kids that back then too.

So really there is less reason for smoking pot today than back then.

That's the problem! There's just enough time to sit around and think about how miserable we all are. In the past there wasn't enough time for it, you worked and fought to live or you and those dependent on you died.

I don't think there are less reasons for smoking pot today, probably more as the emphases on community and each other grows smaller and smaller. I mean, I can survive without leaving my house and coming face to face with any other human for months or years. The problem is people we weren't built to be alone.

 

[fm107]

Moraiah,

I agree that social interaction has shrunk significantly, a lot if not most social activity has moved from real life to being done over the internet.

And I do agree that in some cases this can lead to loneliness.

I hear all that.

But, God wouldn't want us to turn to drugs, they don't solve our problems. They might make you forget about them for a while but as Life2Christ said, if your problem is lack of money then it just adds to it. I am of course missing out the damage this does to your health.

If you feel you need that social aspect of your life then one should aim to find people who are also looking for people to do things with. There are people at Church, people even advertise in the paper they are looking for friendship etc.

Doing drugs is never the answer.

And if your at home bored all day, then why find something to do, there is always something.

 

[janman345]

Firstly, people generally lived much longer than 20 years of age 200 years ago. Jesus was around 33 years old when he was crucified . Ever since then living conditions and quality of life have increased which also raise the chance of living longer lives i.e. people washing more frequently etc.

Instead of turning to drugs to get rid of any stress you have, why not turn to God? Why?

Here is the answer to all of the above and it's not drugs:

Proverbs 3:1
My son, do not forget my teaching, but keep my commands in your heart, for they will prolong your life many years and bring you prosperity.

I totally agree that turning to God is a good answer but that does not negate the realities of this life. you dont quit your job and say God will provide. Im not saying we should all go out and get stoned but I do believe that there are some people in tough situations.

Also in regards to back in the day since everyone wants to go there, most everyone was working to live, everyone was doing it, other than maybe the king and his entourage, now days you may have a neighbor that is going on vacations and has toys etc so not all are sharing in the toil and its not a way of life of the commuinty, you can call it pride or envy or whatever you want but when you see how life can be but its not your reality that creates ALOT of stress, not that you are jealous or want to steal your neighbors stuff but its impossible to not think why do I have to live like this when the guy down the road has much more ammenities. If we were ALL toiling like in the day it woudl not be an issue, everyone likely wrote off the king because he was the king and most did not even know what he looked like or where the castle was. When you feel like a slave to your neighbor thats a serious issue. Maybe you are raising 2 kids on your own with your husband and the guy down the road has a nanny, this sort of thing did not happen back in the day, very few had knowlage of the better life, once you have seen or tasted of that life style there is no going back.

So you can not compare people 2000 years ago to today, I can look back within my own parents and grandparents life times to a day when life was easier, we have alot of added burden from 50 years ago. Lower pay for the same work so both parents have to work (higher cost of living), the social structure for kids is broke leaving parents to have to pay for expensvie day care etc. The mom can not stay home becuase one income does not cut it if you want to have any sort of life at all and have anything nice. Heck my grandpa was able to buy an air plane and hunting rifles on one income with 3 kids with no silver spoon, that would never happen today, I dont care how many degrees or certificates you have, almost no employer pays enough to rasie 3 kids and have a stay at home mom and buy a plane. The pay is just way to low these days and the stress is way to high.

Granted some of that stress is from poor life choices, but once a poor life choice is made you have to do the best to live with it and I can picture scenarios in my head where I would not begrudge someone from checking out, kids screaming and running around after a 10 hr work day coloring on the wall and you just want to check out.

 

[fm107]

janman345,

I don't want to fall out with you over this. Just so as you know I can get passionate in how I argue a point.

So I hope I haven't upset you in anyway.

Moving on though...

you can call it pride or envy or whatever you want but when you see how life can be but its not your reality that creates ALOT of stress

This shouldn't be cauing you stress. This is coveting which is one of the 10 commandments.

Exodus 20:17
"You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

We should be content with what we have:

Hewbrews 13:5
Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."

The reason I stated this scripture:

Proverbs 3:1
My son, do not forget my teaching, but keep my commands in your heart, for they will prolong your life many years and bring you prosperity.
Was to show you that God can extent our lives if we live according to his will. So stress isn't much a problem with how long we live because God can extend it.

On top of this, someone who is financially poor can prosper if they simply do what God would have them do.