If only I could believe there is a heaven all my doubts about gods existance would go away. That is how it started fearing there is no afterlife. Did it come about like that for anyone else?
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I don't think my OCD doubts about God's existence intitially came from doubts about the existence of heaven, but later on it certainly played a role. I would get to a moment where I would be "convinced" that there was a God, and I would relax for a moment or two. Then, later, I sometimes would think, "what if there is no such thing as heaven?" Which would renew all my other doubts relating to God. It was all a bunch of OCD trickery, though. i realize that now.
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hebrews 11:1- Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. niv
Try to have faith it isnt easy when OCD always puts theses doubts in our head but believe that through faith we can overcome!!
Try to have faith it isnt easy when OCD always puts theses doubts in our head but believe that through faith we can overcome!!
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ocd=owie it is kind of weird dont you think. Mine ocd started with doubting heaven but also morphed into doubting God. Yours vice versa.
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I don't know that mine was exactly vice versa. I think mine was just errattic. It changed over time, and sometimes, a doubt of one kind would lead to doubts in all other areas, then, at another time, a different sort of doubt would lead to doubts in all the other areas.
But OCD is very complex, and the way it manifests itself varies in different people.
But OCD is very complex, and the way it manifests itself varies in different people.
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you may not remember it now, but at one time you've probably had many doubts that you've put to rest. and you've probably had other thoughts that have never become doubts.
think of something that you are sure of now, and then ask yourself why you are sure of it. Chances are that you are sure of things that you can see or touch or experience, and unsure of things that can't be experienced by the 5 senses.
now take it one step further--how about things that you can't see from where you are, but you don't doubt that they are there? Like the next county over from yours, the next state over from yours, etc.
How do you prove the existance of things you can't see? you have to ask someone who has seen them and knows for certain that they exist, right?
it's the same way with heaven.
think of something that you are sure of now, and then ask yourself why you are sure of it. Chances are that you are sure of things that you can see or touch or experience, and unsure of things that can't be experienced by the 5 senses.
now take it one step further--how about things that you can't see from where you are, but you don't doubt that they are there? Like the next county over from yours, the next state over from yours, etc.
How do you prove the existance of things you can't see? you have to ask someone who has seen them and knows for certain that they exist, right?
it's the same way with heaven.
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It did for me. You have to learn to deal with this as an OCD problem though. As I've said before, you just need to get used to letting your doubts and thoughts occur without trying to judge them as good or bad. Try not to give them any attention. Sure, that will be stressful, but if you do it right, then your anxiety will go down in time. Don't worry, there is a way out of this!
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The problem with talking to others is one how do I know they are not lying and two most importantly is no one has been dead for let's say longer than twenty four hours. There is no way to proof it is just not brain chemicals and this saddens me. If I knew it existed all doubts would fade. I don't want to go to hell. I used to believe in heaven and not doubt god but then the fear of no afterlife messed it all up.
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I understand. However, you need to realize that your OCD prevents you from being able to logically assass evidence of heaven's existence. At the heart of your problem, I think the issue is that your OCD always makes you expect and believe the scariest option. In your case, that means fearing that there is no evidence whatsoever of heaven or an afterlife.
I know that I used to think like you are now. I used to think, "If only I could convince myself of this one area, then all my doubts would go away." Unfortunately, it wasn't that simple. For one, any time I actually managed to "convince" myself in that area, the relief would only last for a few minutes before I immediately began considering it again. I was seeking to stop my obsessive doubts with mental compulsions. Second, over time the areas that I wanted to be convinced of changed, but I still had my doubts. The reason was because I simply wasn't fighting my OCD doubts as OCD. I was trying to reason my way out of the issue, desparately trying to convince my mind that God was real.
I know that it's hard, but you need to start letting yourself relax, even if you're not sure if it's right to do. Hang in there!
I know that I used to think like you are now. I used to think, "If only I could convince myself of this one area, then all my doubts would go away." Unfortunately, it wasn't that simple. For one, any time I actually managed to "convince" myself in that area, the relief would only last for a few minutes before I immediately began considering it again. I was seeking to stop my obsessive doubts with mental compulsions. Second, over time the areas that I wanted to be convinced of changed, but I still had my doubts. The reason was because I simply wasn't fighting my OCD doubts as OCD. I was trying to reason my way out of the issue, desparately trying to convince my mind that God was real.
I know that it's hard, but you need to start letting yourself relax, even if you're not sure if it's right to do. Hang in there!
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