If My People

[Hammster]

The question, bottom line is:

Are we God's people, and do we call ourselves by His name?

Perhaps it should be established if we are His people or not.

That seems to be the stickler here.

That's not the question, actually. It was "Where in the passage does it say it's for all of God's people throughout all generations?"

 

[Monna]

Are we God's people, and do we call ourselves by His name?

If you call yourself a Christian, you call yourself by His (Christ's) name.

 

[sdowney717]

The question, bottom line is:

Are we God's people, and do we call ourselves by His name?

Perhaps it should be established if we are His people or not.

That seems to be the stickler here.

Exactly so, the OT promise God spoke to a people under His covenant, so then in a relationship with Him.
They were all of them to humble themselves and pray and seek God.
In this NC, there is no more such nation of the land of Israel, we as the believers, are a Holy Nation, His own special people, and God through Paul in that verse is telling us to pray.

Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.

 

[brinny]

That's not the question, actually. It was "Where in the passage does it say it's for all of God's people throughout all generations?"

That's the bottom line question for me (if i am a part of the family of God, and if so, i am included in the people of God and therefore amongst His people.)

I was tying the verse into what God promises for the generations after Abraham, which includes Gentiles all over the world.

But lest i repeat myself yet one more time i will leave it at that.

God bless you.

 

[brinny]

Exactly so, the OT promise God spoke to a people under His covenant, so then in a relationship with Him.
They were all of them to humble themselves and pray and seek God.
In this NC, there is no more such nation of the land of Israel, we as the believers, are a Holy Nation, His own special people, and God through Paul in that verse is telling us to pray.

Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.

I agree.

Amen.

 

[TheSeabass]

Where does it say they are lost and need to repeat?

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.


We KNOW they needed to repent for God told them to "turn from their wicked ways".

"IF" they repent (turn form their wicked ways) God would "forgive their sin". So we KNOW they had unforgiven sins i.e, they were lost for no UNforgiven sin will enter heaven.

Isaiah 59:2 "But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear."

Separation from God is being spiritually lost. Their wicked ways they needed to turn from had separated them from God. Not until they repent would God hear them from heaven and forgive their sins.

 

[brinny]

If you call yourself a Christian, you call yourself by His (Christ's) name.

I agree.

 

[Hammster]

That's the bottom line question for me (if i am a part of the family of God, and if so, i am included in the people of God and therefore amongst His people.)

I was tying the verse into what God promises for the generations after Abraham, which includes Gentiles all over the world.

But lest i repeat myself yet one more time i will leave it at that.

God bless you.

Suit yourself.

 

[Hammster]

We KNOW they needed to repent for God told them to "turn from their wicked ways".

No He doesn't.

 

[brinny]

Suit yourself.

Thank you kindly.

 

[JCFantasy23]

Where in the passage does it say it's for all of God's people throughout all generations?

You keep making claims about the verse that aren't supported by the verse.

She is making the same assumption I did - that it would apply to all people considered His - although you're right this could technically be one of 'those' scripture pieces where He was only addressing Israel. I like to think not, but have no evidence of it for sure. It just makes sense to me.

 

[Hammster]

She is making the same assumption I did - that it would apply to all people considered His - although you're right this could technically be one of 'those' scripture pieces where He was only addressing Israel. I like to think not, but have no evidence of it for sure. It just makes sense to me.

I think a clue would be Solomon's prayer in chspter 6. If that's not applicable for all people, then neither is this verse.

 

[JCFantasy23]

Okay, reading (the right) Solomon passage you're referring to, it would indicate it is directed to Israel directly.

Still, I'd like to think this scripture could apply to all of His people. Pretty thought, although perhaps not fully accurate.

 

[TheSeabass]

No He doesn't.

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

Yes, God telling them that if they "turn from their wicked ways" THEN God would forgive.

Turn from wicked ways = repent. If they repent God will then forgive cf Jeremiah 18:8-10

 

[Hammster]

. Ugh nevermind, wrong bible area - BRB

This is 1 Chronicals 7:14. Solomon has a prayer in chapter 6. This relates to the prayer.

 

[JCFantasy23]

This is 1 Chronicals 7:14. Solomon has a prayer in chapter 6. This relates to the prayer.

I figured this out eventually lol - I edited my post above

 

[Hammster]

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

Yes, God telling them that if they "turn from their wicked ways" THEN God would forgive.

Turn from wicked ways = repent. If they repent God will then forgive cf Jeremiah 18:8-10

If you read it in context, it's not what He's saying.

 

[-V-]

That's not the question, actually. It was "Where in the passage does it say it's for all of God's people throughout all generations?"

Is 2 Timothy 3:16 a true statement?

If it is, then all Scripture is "for" all of God's people throughout all generations. One just has to realize that being "for" us doesn't preclude being applicable in different ways for different people.

 

[JCFantasy23]

If you read it in context, it's not what He's saying.

Curious, but do you believe God withdraws certain protections and blessings from "lands" where the majority of people have turned their backs on Him in today's time?

 

[TheSeabass]

If you read it in context, it's not what He's saying.

It is exactly what the Lord is saying....in context.

 

[AlexDTX]

if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. - 2 Chronicles 7:14

For discussion. How is this verse applicable to us today?

Yes. In context the people were Israel. However, God gave a new covenant which include all born again believers in Christ. We are his people. What is misleading is to think of national politics. During the Mosaic era Israel was both his people and a political body.

If believers in all nations were to walk with Christ in fullness, forsaking the way of the world and seeking Him alone, the nations would be transformed.

I spent the summer working on a kibbutz in Israel when I was a student at Christ for the Nations as part of my Jewish Studies Minor. As a group we were one. We did a prayer walk around the building we stayed in and took command of the area for Christ. We commanded all demons to leave the building and forbid them from coming back.

The Israeli leader of the kibbutz came into the building and said he could feel a lightness in the air, and he was a typical Jew. There were other Jews in the building with us, but they knew we did not want smoking, although we never told them they could not smoke. It was an experience of spiritual authority in Christ that was profoundly felt by everyone, even though the lost did not know what it was.

Yes, if my people will humble themselves and pray and seek the Lord, He will heal the land.