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I know. But it doesn't say anything about "if this nation".
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Maybe it refers to agriculture, healing land during a pest outbreak or drought.
Verse 13 says: If I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, and if I tell the locust to destroy the land, or send disease upon My people
Verse 13 says: If I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, and if I tell the locust to destroy the land, or send disease upon My people
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Well, if we look at the verse in context we can see that "My people" are the Israelites and their land would be Israel.
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All we can say for certain, God made this promise to a nation covenanted under Him which was Israel.
It would have been required the entire nation to humble themselves and pray, or the vast majority of them, not just some of them.
It would have been required the entire nation to humble themselves and pray, or the vast majority of them, not just some of them.
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Those in 2 Chron 7:14 were lost, else why the need to repent while they could continue in their wicked ways impenitently and be saved while remaining unforgiven. Of course this is not possible.
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In the NT, which is for today, we find a similar theme (or meme) in what Paul wrote.
With the goal that we believers can live peaceful and godly lives in our nation where God has placed us.
That is a great blessing to live in such a way in this evil world. And for us to have such peace and quiet versus revolution and uproar and anarchy and oppression would necessarily involve God's blessing of that nation where you live. That He would restrain the evil powers of wickedness in the land who roam about seeking to devour kill destroy everything.
1 Timothy 2:1-2New King James Version (NKJV)
1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.
With the goal that we believers can live peaceful and godly lives in our nation where God has placed us.
That is a great blessing to live in such a way in this evil world. And for us to have such peace and quiet versus revolution and uproar and anarchy and oppression would necessarily involve God's blessing of that nation where you live. That He would restrain the evil powers of wickedness in the land who roam about seeking to devour kill destroy everything.
1 Timothy 2:1-2New King James Version (NKJV)
1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.
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The verse refers to all of God's people throughout the generations, just as God planned to bring into His "family" the Gentiles, as He promised to Abraham He would, when He promised that the entire world would be blessed through Abraham, and just as Paul was a "missionary", focusing on the Gentiles, to bring them into the family of God, and to be "His people". The verse applies to any and all of God's people.
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Where in the passage does it say it's for all of God's people throughout all generations?
You keep making claims about the verse that aren't supported by the verse.
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I agree that God can certainly restrain the all-out, full-blown evil that could be rampant, and that He does so in this country for our sakes.
It could be much much worse.
For that, i am very thankful.
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The question, bottom line is:
Are we God's people, and do we call ourselves by His name?
Perhaps it should be established if we are His people or not.
That seems to be the stickler here.
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Some of his people are not Americans and do not live there.
He knows all those who belong to him ... his people. But I suspect that in the context he is speaking of the collective. In our individualistic societies we have lost a lot of the true meaning of "the collective" and I'm not refering to some communist, socialist or Jewish organisation.
Anybody who is willing to stand back and look at the broad christian church in western countries will have to admit that we are filled with strife, power games, arrogance (especially relative to our brothers and sisters in poor countries), greed and much more. And we have exported our divisions (disunity) to other countries along with most of our other societal 'values.' I know that there are thousands of devout and loving Christians in western countries also ... but remember that Daniel (of all people!) identified personally with all his people when confessing their sin. We have much to repent of, much to be forgiven.
True repentance would mean mind-boggling changes in life-style just to begin with, changes in our personal relationships, changes in our group relationships, changes in the direction of our life's ambitions and values. And if all believers did this you can be sure that our local churches, our 'denomnations,' and beyond them our countries would experience a healing that we can't even imagine!
(And when I point my finger at other believers, I have three pointing at myself! I am as guilty as anyone else and I know it only too well.)
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