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if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. - 2 Chronicles 7:14

For discussion. How is this verse applicable to us today?
 
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if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. - 2 Chronicles 7:14

For discussion. How is this verse applicable to us today?

What came to mind for me as i read the OP is, are we His people?

(i will elaborate further if you wish).
 
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if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. - 2 Chronicles 7:14

For discussion. How is this verse applicable to us today?
I feel God wants us to be humble and dependent on Him. He wants us to be close to him through prayer and repentance. God loves us a lot and if we stay close to him we will see our "land" ( home, job, dreams) heal.
 
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if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. - 2 Chronicles 7:14

For discussion. How is this verse applicable to us today?

By saying 'my people', this would apply to all of His people in all situations/generations.
 
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It would help.

LOL! Ok, fair enough.

The bottom line is establishing if "we" are His people.

If so, it applies to us, His people, since we are "called by His name".
 
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By saying 'my people', this would apply to all of His people in all situations/generations.

LOL! Ok, fair enough.

The bottom line is establishing if "we" are His people.

If so, it applies to us, His people, since we are "called by His name".

Is our land healed?
 
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--It shows that God forgives those who obediently repent, both OT and NT.
--It shows those who are 'of God' can become lost, both OT and NT.
--It shows man has the ability to understand and obey God within himself without any miraculous intervening of God first, both OT and NT.

(It's my favorite bible verse)
 
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Is our land healed?

I thought the question is if "we" are His people or not.

With sin so rampant, and more sin developing and festering, why would this country be healed?

How many of His people here in this country even "pray" to Him and repent and humble themselves?
 
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I thought the question is if "we" are His people or not.

With sin so rampant, and more sin developing and festering, why would this country be healed?

How many of His people here in this country even "pray" to Him and repent and humble themselves?
I don't know how many. I know a few. Does it have to be everyone?
 
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Is our land healed?

I think America has been incredibly blessed - but I do fear for its future if we keep turning away from God.
 
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--It shows that God forgives those who obediently repent, both OT and NT.
--It shows those who are 'of God' can become lost, both OT and NT.
--It shows man has the ability to understand and obey God within himself without any miraculous intervening of God first, both OT and NT.

(It's my favorite bible verse)
I'm not really seeing any of that. Can you break it down for me?
 
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I don't know how many. I know a few. Does it have to be everyone?

Pivotal in my former response to you is what i said about sin, multiplying as we speak, and sins festering already.

Therein possibly lies the answer to your question about our country's "healing".

Why would God reward blatant sin including a contempt and disrespecting of Him and His name?
 
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When we had a plating department in our facility I worked under a chemist. This chemist was very smart and very good at math. When he laid out equations he did so in very neat handwriting and there would be much activity as he turned the results of an analysis into an addition. I would take his calculations and put them in the form of visual basic functions and sub procedures.

Of all the years I worked with this man I had one opportunity to witness to him. I made my presentation while he was analyzing adhesion under a microscope in which you could hear the sounds... Scratch, scratch, scratch! Scratch scratch, scratch! After my presentation he just continued to look under the microscope as if ignored everything I said so I just continued in my work. Then... The scratch scratch, scratching stopped! And he speaks!

"You know what I think it is?" He says while continuing to look under the microscope... "I think it is arrogance!"

And then, without taking his eyes off the microscope, he continues his work... Scratch, scratch, scratch! Scratch scratch, scratch! I did not reply but went about my work. If I had a sick feeling in my stomach, it was that he never did witness the true spiritual light and energies, and those religious folk that he met in his life were arrogant... Which is not the light and energy God would have us present.

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: - 1 John 1:6
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. - James 3:14

1. The anointing of God is not human ego (arrogance)
2. If you do not love everyone you dwell in darkness
3. Our gospel truth is not to hold others in bondage
4. There is no denominational superiority... We are all in the flesh and subject to our faults and failures.
5, Even though you feel you may have truth, if it is not accompanied with the appropriate spiritual light, you do not.

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. - 1 John 4:1

we are encouraged in scripture to try the spirits and weigh them to see if they are of God. If you are in the position where you have people over you, and the Spirit is raising red flags, react to that as God would have you to. I remember I use to follow a certain evangelist and I would be warned by a little voice inside of me that there was something wrong with the guy. And sure enough, I would learn of his fall years later.

For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. - Isaiah 66:2

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. - 1 Corinthians 1

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. - Proverbs 16:18

It is not the high and the esteemed that God looks to but to the poor and the lowly. If people get overboard in their ego know that a fall is on the way! And to so many who think their denomination has the superiority, I can only try to get this one point over, that their ego is not the unction of the Holy Spirit!

I believe that it is easier to get an elephant through an eye of a needle than for an arrogant man to come through to the anointing of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Pivotal in my former response to you is what i said about sin, multiplying as we speak, and sins festering already.

Therein possibly lies the answer to your question about our country's "healing".

Why would God reward blatant sin including a contempt and disrespecting of Him and His name?
Are you saying sin is preventing God from healing our land?
 
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When we had a plating department in our facility I worked under a chemist. This chemist was very smart and very good at math. When he laid out equations he did so in very neat handwriting and there would be much activity as he turned the results of an analysis into an addition. I would take his calculations and put them in the form of visual basic functions and sub procedures.

Of all the years I worked with this man I had one opportunity to witness to him. I made my presentation while he was analyzing adhesion under a microscope in which you could hear the sounds... Scratch, scratch, scratch! Scratch scratch, scratch! After my presentation he just continued to look under the microscope as if ignored everything I said so I just continued in my work. Then... The scratch scratch, scratching stopped! And he speaks!

"You know what I think it is?" He says while continuing to look under the microscope... "I think it is arrogance!"

And then, without taking his eyes off the microscope, he continues his work... Scratch, scratch, scratch! Scratch scratch, scratch! I did not reply but went about my work. If I had a sick feeling in my stomach, it was that he never did witness the true spiritual light and energies, and those religious folk that he met in his life were arrogant... Which is not the light and energy God would have us present.

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: - 1 John 1:6
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. - James 3:14

1. The anointing of God is not human ego (arrogance)
2. If you do not love everyone you dwell in darkness
3. Our gospel truth is not to hold others in bondage
4. There is no denominational superiority... We are all in the flesh and subject to our faults and failures.
5, Even though you feel you may have truth, if it is not accompanied with the appropriate spiritual light, you do not.

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. - 1 John 4:1

we are encouraged in scripture to try the spirits and weigh them to see if they are of God. If you are in the position where you have people over you, and the Spirit is raising red flags, react to that as God would have you to. I remember I use to follow a certain evangelist and I would be warned by a little voice inside of me that there was something wrong with the guy. And sure enough, I would learn of his fall years later.

For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. - Isaiah 66:2

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. - 1 Corinthians 1

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. - Proverbs 16:18

It is not the high and the esteemed that God looks to but to the poor and the lowly. If people get overboard in their ego know that a fall is on the way! And to so many who think their denomination has the superiority, I can only try to get this one point over, that their ego is not the unction of the Holy Spirit!

I believe that it is easier to get an elephant through an eye of a needle than for an arrogant man to come through to the anointing of the Holy Spirit.
I'm not sure any of this has anything to do with the OP. Maybe it does, but hard to follow what you're getting at.
 
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I'm not really seeing any of that. Can you break it down for me?

You do not see God telling them to repent? "If my people..... humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways"?

You do not see their lost state? "My people....turn from wicked ways... and will forgive their sin"

You do not see they understand and being told to repent therefore implying they have the ability within themselves to obey God in repenting? The verse puts the onus, the responsibility of repenting upon man and not God. The verse begins with a conditional "IF" showing it was up to the people "IF" they repent or not and forgiveness was conditional upon "IF" they chose to repent or not,.
 
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Are you saying sin is preventing God from healing our land?

This verse from the OP is quite clear:

if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. - 2 Chronicles 7:14

There may be "His people" in this country, praying and doing as the verse says, however it does not mean that this "country" is "His" as it has repeatedly and blatantly bashed, insulted, rubbed sin in His face, and attempted to render Him an "insult" and obliterate Him, through laws and policies, and practices. Sodom and Gomorrah comes to mind. What God decided was to just "remove" "His" people from a country that trod Him underfoot so blatantly.

The question is:

Does this country "want" to do as the verse says?
 
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You do not see God telling them to repent? "If my people..... humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways"?

You do not see their lost state? "My people....turn from wicked ways... and will forgive their sin"

You do not see they understand and being told to repent therefore implying they have the ability within themselves to obey God in repenting? The verse puts the onus, the responsibility of repenting upon man and not God. The verse begins with a conditional "IF" showing it was up to the people "IF" they repent or not and forgiveness was conditional upon "IF" they chose to repent or not,.
I don't believe that God has lost people.
 
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This verse from the OP is quite clear:

if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. - 2 Chronicles 7:14

There may be "His people" in this country, praying and doing as the verse says, however it does not mean that this "country" is "His" as it has repeatedly and blatantly bashed, insulted, rubbed sin in His face, and attempted to render Him an "insult" and obliterate Him, through laws and policies, and practices. Sodom and Gomorrah comes to mind. What God decided was to just "remove" "His" people from a country that trod Him underfoot so blatantly.

The question is:

Does this country "want" to do as the verse says?
The verse says nothing about "if this nation", does it?
 
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