Why would God put a desire to murder in someone's heart if murder is a sin? It just doesn't make sense that a just God could do such a horrible thing. Does it?
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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
If murder is a sin, then why did God create murderers?
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Okay, what Autumnleaf seems to be doing is sending up the thread, 'If homosexuality is a sin, then why did God create homosexuals'.
The questions are very different. Murder causes harm to others. Homosexual sex (between consenting adults) does not. I can understand why society wants to prevent and discourage murder, but what is wrong with homosexual sex, for those who are attracted to their own sex?
The questions are very different. Murder causes harm to others. Homosexual sex (between consenting adults) does not. I can understand why society wants to prevent and discourage murder, but what is wrong with homosexual sex, for those who are attracted to their own sex?
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Now all that we need to really make the situations analogous is to discover that several prominent members of the religious right who have been the most outspoken against the Murderer Agenda are all actually secretly murderers themselves.
Well, no, they're not murderers. They just happen to kill people in toilet stalls.
Well, no, they're not murderers. They just happen to kill people in toilet stalls.
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Just deal with the OP and leave the community organizing for another thread.
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Because it makes justifying bigotry easier if one pretends that a minority is somehow in the same category as a murder or a substance abuse or a child molester
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You tell me to address the OP as if it's literally meant, but you address it as if it's satyrical?
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The point I think trying to be made here is that the argument that God created people with some desire is not sufficient to say it is ok. But here, let me fix it with a new thread.
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And the point is being made badly. Murder harms people, homosexual sex between consenting adults does not.
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But either way, the mere fact that someone naturally desires to do something does not, in itself, make doing that something acceptable (for whatever definition of "acceptable" you prefer). Either it is acceptable, choice or no, or it is not acceptable, also choice or no.
Which is why issues of choice are not very important in the homosexuality debate (although of course they may well be of personal interest to homosexuals).
Which is why issues of choice are not very important in the homosexuality debate (although of course they may well be of personal interest to homosexuals).
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You won't accept my answer, because it's a Biblical answer. Everything I believe is driven by God and the Bible. If you are a committed athiest, we'll just butt heads all day long.
It's wrong because God said it's wrong.
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Well, yes, but I assume God doesn't say things are wrong on a whim. Why does she say it's wrong?
I'm quite happy to discuss it with you, because we can try to work out whether your view is internally consistent without my beliefs getting in the way. Well, I can, anyway.
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Cute how you slipped the "she" in there. Why did you do that?Well, yes, but I assume God doesn't say things are wrong on a whim. Why does she say it's wrong?
I'm quite happy to discuss it with you, because we can try to work out whether your view is internally consistent without my beliefs getting in the way. Well, I can, anyway.
Anyway, my answer to this question comes from the Bible. Romans 9:20 "But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "
God does not have to answer to His creation or give a reason for what He does. He is God! Sometimes He gives a reason, sometimes He does not. Idolatry is wrong because it causes people to forsake God, or put him lower than first place in their lives.
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Your mental image? Hmm....I would think someone's image of God should be shaped more by what it says in the Bible. Of course, the Bible's only physical description of God is blinding light, and everywhere the Bible uses a pronoun to depict God, it's the masculine. Using "she" is unscriptural.My mental image of her is more feminine than not. Is it a problem?
Would you care to answer my question, now that I have answered yours?
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