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Benedicta00 said:Note that Paul calls Peter what? Cephas. He knew Peter was the foundational Rock of the Church.
He said he stood up to, Cephas, the head of the Church in other words. Why? Because Peter was not practicing what he was preaching. Paul never said what he was preaching was wrong, just that he was not practicing what he was preaching.
This verse actually proves further that Peter was the head of the Church, it does not disprove it.
Also go to the verse in Galatians that says Pauls authenticity as an apostles of Christ was verified by Peter and James.
No one has self-appointed authority to preach and teach. Jesus assigned authority to his Church.
All teaching especially bible interpretations is gauged against what the Church teaches. This is how we are to test the sprits as Paul says, to know if we are being lead by the Holy Spirit or our own human intellect, human spirit or worse the evil spirits.
I said no such thing, read carefully Benidicta00!! I said if 2 million people say a foolish thing it is still a foolish thing. I did not say, as you suggest, that if 2 million people say a foolish thing then they are foolish.Benedicta00 said:If you disagree with catholic teaching, fine but please reframe from calling catholics silly and foolish. Its rude and unnecessary.
We can easily say the same about Protestants, that they are foolish for falling for the rebellion of the reformation against the Church but that kind of talk is unchristian and pointless.
xXxunderOATHxXx said:lol
but then again i cud be rong
BigChrisfilm said:They fail to realize that pray is a form of worship.
aboutface said:Uh Benadicta00, sorry to spoil your fun again, but it was not the man Jesus was saying was the rock upon which the church was built. Because He is the Rock upon which the church IS built. He was saying that the revelation Peter had was the rock upon which the church would be built up. What revelation was that? I refer you once again to scripture and I quote
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Blessings to you as you try to sort it out.
thereselittleflower said:One cannnot make the claim that "upon this rock" referes back to what Peter said a couple sentences earlier wthout doing violence to the ORIGINAL GREEK . ie the ORIGINAL SCRIPTURES . . .
Dearly beloved Mary was created sinless in order to be the pure and undefiled vessel that would bring fourth the worlds savior, the new and everlasting covenant.aboutface said:He just did it for he in advance, her at conception before she was born into this world and he does it for us after we have been born into this world.
Originally Posted by: Benedicta00
You said it yourself, Benedicta00, or do you forget what you say? In advance, at her conception. Therefore making her perfect before she was born and thus denying scripture which says we all like sheep have gone astray. (Isa 53:6)
And again, There is no-one who is righteous. (Rom 3:10) quoting Psalm 14:3
They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Your dearly beloved Mary falls smack bang into that category along with the rest of us.
But I forget myself. There are those who have ears and will hear and those who wont, and a mans way will seem good to him but it leads him unto death.
Answer this question if you dare to look at the truth.
To whom did Jesus pray?
Whose commandments did Jesus obey? In particular that commandment we know as the first commandment.
Benedicta00 said:Dearly beloved Mary was created sinless in order to be the pure and undefiled vessel that would bring fourth the worlds savior, the new and everlasting covenant.
And she was perfect but those does not mean God didnt have to save her from inheriting the fall of mankind in order for her to be that way.
If God had not stepped in, she would have been born with sin because all have sinned but he stepped in so she was spared. He saved her.
All have sinned "no one rightous" means mankind fell from grace. No one disagrees with that mankind is fallen.
But to apply these verses in a strict sense to try to prove or disprove something that you disagree with is a mistake because how can psalm say no one is righteous when we know that God told Abraham that his faith was credit to his righteousness?
So you have to be able to read the bible as a whole.
Chris, then I assume you have no photographs in your home of people who have died?BigChrisfilm said:Exodus 20:4
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Clearly says not to make any likeness of anything in heaven? Isn't Mary in heaven?
Because God stepped in and prevented her from ever inheriting it, thus he saved her from it.BigChrisfilm said:Oh please tell me how someone could be sinless and still need a savior please?
Benedicta00 said:Because God stepped in and prevented her from ever inheriting it, thus he saved her from it.
How do you figure he didnt save her from it if he prevented her from inheriting it?
Do you realize we inherit the sin of Adam and that is why we need salvation?
OrthodoxyUSA said:MARY was NOT created sinless. She was cleansed.
Forgive me....
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