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If man is evolving, why is there still war?

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Better to exist having been freed from something, and learned stuff, then not to live at all!

Well, He is freeing us from the problem He invented, so there's that...

And what exactly have you learned, dad?
 
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Well, He is freeing us from the problem He invented, so there's that...
I feel I am more than a problem He invented actually. Come on over to the side with a little dignity and self respect!
And what exactly have you learned, dad?

That is legal to say?
 
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I feel I am more than a problem He invented actually.

Such as?

Come on over to the side with a little dignity and self respect!

Demonstrate some, and we'll talk.


That is legal to say?

Let's first find out if it's possible to say; we'll worry about legal later.
 
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Just because a person believes in God and follows the example of Jesus in the bible doesn't mean they are not using their brains and reasoning what is good and what is bad. As a Christian we can look at all the examples of how to live and we can assess all this and make a decision. The only difference is I am choosing to trust that God is telling the truth about what he says. I am believing what Jesus said and following His example. So I have a clear example thats in the bible but I have to trust and believe God thats its the right way compared to other ways.

There are certain things we have to trust God for. God is all knowing so He can know all the outcomes and consequences of certain actions. So He knows best what is good fro us. Jesus said He was the way, the truth and the life. He said He came to give life in its abundance. So there is no better way for us to know life than through Him. But we have to trust and believe that this is the truth.

Humans can only rely on themselves. According to human thought there is no ultimate morality or truth. Humans are fallible and they dont know it all. We have seen this time and time again with the mistakes humans have made in their judgements. Even if we have many agreeing about something good we often see that it ends up being wrong or having some sort of consequence that makes things worse or creates another problem.

The other thing is that humans are subject to being influenced to easily to corrupt or compromise the truth. We also have an evil nature and are susceptible to sabotaging what is good. So even when we know what is the right thing to do we end up throwing a spanner in the works with our evil natures which are tempted to do wrong.

So wouldn't it make sense to be able to have an independent source we can use and rely on to help us find the best way to live. Jesus doesn't change and He is the same forever. If we know that we are fallible and cant be trusted in the end to get it right then why not use something or someone who is infallible and knows what is best for us. Its like a Guru who is giving us the best possible receipt for living a good life that will give us the least problems and the best outcomes. It all comes down to a matter of trust and belief.
 
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Nothing much happened before Adam. The bible covers it all.

There is more war now I would think. Notice the world is going nuts?

I imagine that there are fewer wars now, they are just on a larger scale. There are far more people now with much more advanced technology.
 
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I'm not sure there are less wars nowadays and that they are bigger or have modern tech so they kill more. There seem to be 100s of smaller wars around the world that people dont know about. I cant imagine there would be as many wars as there are now ever in the history of mankind. Whether you say there are more or less if you look at the amount of conflicts going on around the world I would say there is more tension than ever before. Counting the dead doesn't really give you the real picture about the level of conflict that humans find themselves in. If there isn't some small country or town in some sort of fight with someone then there's neighbors in conflict with each other or people in conflict with governments. It seems the world is not a happy place at the moment.
Wars in the World » List of ongoing Conflicts
 
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There you go with good and bad again.
Trust and (false) belief are both structures of the imagination.
 
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Just because a person believes in God and follows the example of Jesus in the bible doesn't mean they are not using their brains and reasoning what is good and what is bad.
That depends entirely on what they swallow.


No. We also believe a lot of other things like that He created the world and in heaven etc. Jesus did not offer morals, but a choice to believe in Him as the only way..or not.
There are certain things we have to trust God for.
Name something we don't need to trust for??


Great. So let's do that. Simple.
Humans can only rely on themselves.
False. They can rely on God and even others to some extent in cases.

Human thought is not a good thing then. OK.

Got the preacher's itch?

Great so trust is a good thing.
 
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There you go with good and bad again.
Trust and (false) belief are both structures of the imagination.
Oh? Would you say that is a true saying? If so I guess it is a product of your imagination, by your own words. Hoisted on one's own petard.
 
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They do claim that mutations are beneficial, no? They do claim species evolve and get better..no? There is more war today than in Adam's day. Funny, that.



Dunno that I have an answer to your question but, it never ceases to amaze me how people can call themselves worshipers of the Prince of Peace while calling for more war and supporting the military industrial complex. Then, many (certainly not all) pretend that endorsing war is the most Christian thing one can do while condemning war is supposedly communist inspired or some other such nonsense.

I will never stop wondering how this type of thinking persists when the Bible's instructions to make peace is so clear.
 
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Thanks to those who think differently, you could say this in English, rather than German or Japanese.
 
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Dunno that I have an answer to your question but, it never ceases to amaze me how people can call themselves worshipers of the Prince of Peace while calling for more war and supporting the military industrial complex.
I am wondering the same thing. Perhaps one of them will dare to try to explain here. I do not see how I could explain to a child that got droned or bombed and lost their mom and dad, and arms..how it was Jesus that wanted that done! I do not believe it is.

From the scriptural support for that sort of thing I have seen so far, it is weak, and twisted. Things like 'obey the power' or whatever. That sure doesn't mean joining terrorist armies.
Then, many (certainly not all) pretend that endorsing war is the most Christian thing one can do while condemning war is supposedly communist inspired or some other such nonsense.


Exactly. Which side do they feel God is on...and is it OK for the guys fighting on the other side to do the same or just them?

I will never stop wondering how this type of thinking persists when the Bible's instructions to make peace is so clear.

I agree. Especially in this modern age where civilians are the main casualties....
 
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Thanks to those who think differently, you could say this in English, rather than German or Japanese.
Ha. I knew we would not agree on everything. If they Germans did win and ruled still would you support joining their army? If you prefer not to 'argue' that is fine, cause I intend to defend my position tooth and nail Nothing personal.

The way I see it, I can agree with Christians 80% - 90% or even 95%, and still have things I disagree on. A good example of this is John MacArthur. (and other radio preachers) I agree with most things they say, and enjoy learning from them. However, when John for example get's into Calvanist nonsense like 'if one falls they were never reaaallly saved to begin with' I tune out fast.
 
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Draft dodger!

How's the weather in Canada?

If I was drafted I would dodge, and recommend to any kids who asked to do the same.

Maybe someone will try to make a bible case for it. I could be wrong.
 
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