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If macroevolution is incorrect, then what replaces it? (Please read OP before commenting)

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@Warden_of_the_Storm oh but I am here to have a serious conversation, and do please elaborate on how my argument about Darwin being up late at night contemplating the eye and it's complexities, and the lack of a missing link between humans and apes or just between any species as being wrong please tell me how that has been proven wrong.

Oh and explain how a watch found in the woods vs DNA in our bodies as being so intricate it had to be by design as wrong, tell me how it's been disproven. Do you actually believe this is wrong? Honestly do you?
 
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No, I'm not going to have a serious conversation with you because it's clear that you don't know a single thing about what you are railing against. You really don't.
 
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When the person making a claim saying that macroevolution is wrong claims to be a scientist, you would expect a scientific answer.

I would say that the conclusion would be not that their claim about macroevolution is wrong but rather their claim that they are a scientist is wrong. At least not a scientist in any relevant field.
 
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I would say that the conclusion would be not that their claim about macroevolution is wrong but rather their claim that they are a scientist is wrong. At least not a scientist in any relevant field.

I'll admit to giving them the benefit of the doubt.
 
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No, I'm not going to have a serious conversation with you because it's clear that you don't know a single thing about what you are railing against. You really don't.
@Warden_of_the_Storm It appears your unwillingness to even have a conversation just shows your inability to refute the truth that all of creation has happened by design. Someday you'll see the truth of what I am saying but as of now sorry you could not even respond to my question. I'm beginning to wonder if your statements are backed at all by anything truthful, since the beginning of this thread when asked to prove if something is true or not you just hand it back to the other person as giving them the burden of proving something to be true, or as in my case you completely ignore my desire to have a conversation. What is the point of this thread if you're just ignoring people's response, do you pick and choose the responses that agree with you to respond to? What is that the Bible says something about people looking for someone to say what their itching ears want to hear vs what is true.

It's amazing this is a Christian forum so clearly creationism is going to be a topic that people believe but at the very beginning you say its unscientific. That'd be like me going onto some secular forum asking for proof that creationism is real and stating not to bring up evolution as it is unscientific. It would be pointless.
 
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Again, the reason why I'm not having a discussion with you is because it's clear that you don't know what you're talking about. Your claims about Darwin getting stuck on the evolution of the eye is a lie, your claim about a missing link between man and ape is horribly false and your comment about a Rolex being comparable to DNA is just laughable false as well.

I am not going to have a discussion with you because I do not feel that it would be a discussion in good faith from your part.
 
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... Darwin being up late at night contemplating the eye and it's complexities...

I'm going to regret this, but...

Yeah, Charles was up late. Writing this:

'In living bodies, variation will cause the slight alterations, generation will multiply them almost infinitely, and natural selection will pick out with unerring skill each improvement. Let this process go on for millions on millions of years; and during each year on millions of individuals of many kinds; and may we not believe that a living optical instrument might thus be formed as superior to one of glass as the works of the Creator are to those of man?'

Seems he thought that eyes evolved. Maybe you should read the whole book and not just cherry picked passages from creationist sites.
 
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Oh I didn't know we were comparing books my bad. The cool thing is I don't have to read your book to know it's wrong just like one doesn't have to study a fake bill to know what is true they just study the real currency. Also if you're interested in how things were created all you have to do is read the first chapter of the first book of the following:

"1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place,and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds.And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may ruleover the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day."

It's all there let me know if you have any questions @Bradskii
 
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See, this is why I'm not going to have a discussion with you. Quoting the Bible is not having a discussion, it's preaching.
So please leave this thread as there's really no point in you being on here.
 
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Oh I didn't know we were comparing books...

We weren't. You were discussing how Darwin didn't think the eye could have evolved. You thought that was so because someone on a creationist site told you. As you can see, in Darwin's own words, he was entirely happy with the process.

You need to find better sources for your information. The ones that you are using are giving you very bad information. Were they the same ones that got you confused about apes? Let us know which ones you are using for your 'scientific' info and we can recommend better ones.
 
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The species of birds Darwin used that are called "Darwin's finches" were written about in the following way,
"These birds, although nearly identical in all other ways to mainland finches, had different beaks. Their beaks had adapted to the type of food they ate in order to fill different niches on the Galapagos Islands." These finches, because they had adaptations in their beaks helped pave the way for the theory of evolution, but the sad thing is they are just different sized beaks for different food sources, or an adaptation NOT an evolution of sorts.
"your comment about a Rolex being comparable to DNA is just laughable false as well." you're right @Warden_of_the_Storm, the comparison is laughable. DNA is 1000 times more complex than a simple rolex, the comparison is just to show that if a simple watch found in the woods is enough to point to a creator then DNA found in our bodies is enough to point to The Creator.
 
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Again: I am not going to have a discussion with you because I do not feel that it would be a discussion in good faith from your part.
 
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Again: I am not going to have a discussion with you because I do not feel that it would be a discussion in good faith from your part.
Don't ask a question in a thread and then refuse to talk to people who respond, it's better not to post at all if you're only going to look at and respond to those who you agree with.
 
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Don't ask a question in a thread and then refuse to talk to people who respond, it's better not to post at all if you're only going to look at and respond to those who you agree with.

But you're not making an attempt to respond to the OP. You're just derailing the thread by talking about your own things.
 
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'better ones' in accordance to you and those to whom agree with you. Not wanting to actually debate but rather finding those who say what your itching ears want to hear.

Paul was right when he spoke about people such as yourself:
"3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
 
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'better ones' in accordance to you and those to whom agree with you.

Better as in scientifically valid. The op was asking for scientific arguments. You haven't offered any yet. Wherever sources you are getting your science from is misinforming you (apes and man?).

If you want to proffer scripture instead then you're in the wrong thread.
 
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If you want to proffer scripture instead then you're in the wrong thread.
Rofl bro this is a Christian forum and you're telling me not to use scripture here? Laughable
 
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Rofl bro this is a Christian forum and you're telling me not to use scripture here? Laughable

You're in the science sub-forum. Guess what gets talked about in the science sub-forum.
 
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