If James White commits murder tomorrow....

[Hammster]

Half of Hebrews details warnings to us if our works remove us from God's Grace.

Each and every one of us could lose our Salvation. To suggest otherwise and is dangerous arrogance...

None of Hebrews says that.

 

[S.ilvio]

None of Hebrews says that.

It does.

Clearly giving us warnings of how we will lose salvation through unrepentant sin...

 

[Hammster]

It does.

Clearly giving us warnings of how we will lose salvation through unrepentant sin...

Clearly, you are reading it with the wrong presupposition.

 

[redleghunter]

Half of Hebrews details warnings to us if our works remove us from God's Grace.

Each and every one of us could lose our Salvation. To suggest otherwise and is dangerous arrogance...

A bold and unsupported claim.

 

[redleghunter]

It does.

Clearly giving us warnings of how we will lose salvation through unrepentant sin...

You are going to have to unpack this a bit. In Hebrews I would agree there are two warnings for apostasy. But there is no return from apostasy.

 

[S.ilvio]

You are going to have to unpack this a bit. In Hebrews I would agree there are two warnings for apostasy. But there is no return from apostasy.

Who carries out the apostasy..?

 

[redleghunter]

Who carries out the apostasy..?

That’s why you need to unpack the general assertion.

 

[S.ilvio]

That’s why you need to unpack the general assertion.

Who comits the apostasy?

 

[redleghunter]

Who comits the apostasy?

Apostates.

 

[S.ilvio]

Apostates.

Removing themselves from Grace through their free willed actions...

 

[redleghunter]

Removing themselves from Grace through their free willed actions...

Apostates were never saved by Grace.

 

[S.ilvio]

Apostates were never saved by Grace.

We all have a chance of Salvation. Some turn their back on it...

 

[Hammster]

We all have a chance of Salvation. Some turn their back on it...

True. But that’s not what we are talking about.

 

[S.ilvio]

True. But that’s not what we are talking about.

It is. People lose God's Grace by their own actions all the time...

 

[Hammster]

It is. People lose God's Grace by their own actions all the time...

And now you’re changing the subject again.

 

[BBAS 64]

So if he does not repent, he loses Salvation?

Good Day,

The elect have been granted the gift of repentance which enables them to do so... as a result only the elect can and do repent that is the design, function and the intent of that gift given to them by God.

In Him,

Bill

 

[S.ilvio]

And now you’re changing the subject again.

In summary, if Dr. White commits murder in the morning, shows no repentance, he's turned away from God and His Grace.

Through Dr. White's actions...

 

[S.ilvio]

Good Day,

The elect have been granted the gift of repentance which enables them to do so... as a result only the elect can and do repent that is the design, function and the intent of that gift given to them by God.

In Him,

Bill

Indeed.

Repentance of sin is a core component to maintaining God's grace...

 

[BBAS 64]

In summary, if Dr. White commits murder in the morning, shows no repentance, he's turned away from God and His Grace.

Through Dr. White's actions...

Ummm no he would be revealing he never had faith or repentance the gifts of Grace..

 

[renniks]

Is he still one of the Elect? Was he ever one of the Elect? Or did Jesus die for that sin he will commit because he is one of the Elect?

I'm a big fan of Dr. White's debates. Massive intellect and all round great guy. I just don't hold to his Faith alone/pre-destinational beliefs...

Good question. The Bible makes it clear that people can fall away from the faith. Calvinists are illogical, IMO.