Doubling down does not make your argument any different. Misunderstanding and personal incredulity are all you have presented.
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Doubling down does not make your argument any different. Misunderstanding and personal incredulity are all you have presented.The intelligence in it all is seen by what proceeds forth from or after the original cause, etc...
The fact that there has to be an original cause shows the it/He is there, and what comes after it/Him/that shows the intelligence in it all...
The fact that it goes according to mathematically predictable patters, that we can know and predict with math, etc, and it is just not all random chaos, etc...
That it has lots of order to it, etc, suggests some kind of intelligent design, etc...
Anyway,
God Bless!
"Whatever"...Doubling down does not make your argument any different. Misunderstanding and personal incredulity are all you have presented.
We discussed in another thread how pointing out your failings is not an insult. As to untruths, please quote me. I do not knowingly post falsehoods, so I'd be interested where you think I've done that."Whatever"...
I explained what I think and why, you want to retort with insults and untruths fine, but I'm not playing that game, OK...?
Let me know when you really want to discuss that matter and/or try to disprove it/them, OK...?
God Bless!
Your speaking falsehoods about me and against me and what I am saying, your saying that all of what I am saying is false for "no other reason than you say it's false", etc...We discussed in another thread how pointing out your failings is not an insult. As to untruths, please quote me. I do not knowingly post falsehoods, so I'd be interested where you think I've done that.
When you have anything other than incredulity and wishful thinking by all means come back. Last time I asked the same you came back with incredulity and wishful thinking. Despite your protestations, that appears to be all you have
I am not wanting you say that intelligence is a 100% for sure certainty, etc, but only maybe a likely possibility, etc... Even if I think it is a near certainty, etc, I just want you to admit the "possibility", etc...We discussed in another thread how pointing out your failings is not an insult. As to untruths, please quote me. I do not knowingly post falsehoods, so I'd be interested where you think I've done that.
When you have anything other than incredulity and wishful thinking by all means come back. Last time I asked the same you came back with incredulity and wishful thinking. Despite your protestations, that appears to be all you have
That is a falsehoodYour speaking falsehoods about me and against me and what I am saying, your saying that all of what I am saying is false for "no other reason than you say it's false", etc...
Others have linked to material which demonstrates the error of your claims.Please "disprove" anything I have had to say or have been saying please, and if you can't, then just admit you can't and move on, K...?
You already know that I accept it as a possibility (is there a teapot orbiting the sun?) but this has nothing to do with what I accept. We are talking about what you claim. You claim to have evidence, but you can't present it. You claim to have something more than incredulity, but you can't present it. You make lots of claims but you cannot support them.I am not wanting you say that intelligence is a 100% for sure certainty, etc, but only maybe a likely possibility, etc... Even if I think it is a near certainty, etc, I just want you to admit the "possibility", etc...
That is a falsehoodI have said that what you're saying is nothing more than incredulity and wishful thinking. I have said that you have no actual evidence. I have never said that what you claim is a falsehood.
Others have linked to material which demonstrates the error of your claims.
You already know that I accept it as a possibility (is there a teapot orbiting the sun?) but this has nothing to do with what I accept. We are talking about what you claim. You claim to have evidence, but you can't present it. You claim to have something more than incredulity, but you can't present it. You make lots of claims but you cannot support them.
I continue to say that you have incredulity and wishful thinking. Until you can present something which is actually evidence of intelligence you are just repeating your argument from incredulity. Do you really not understand that?I present and did/do present this whole entire world and this whole entire reality as my "evidence" and have tried to explain that, but you still reject it so...?
Wow, that is one incredibly offensive response. You directly quote me saying "I accept it as a possibility" and then have the audacity to say I do not even entertain the possibility. That level of blatant dishonesty says a lot about your attitude to other people.Again, I talked about determinism, etc, how I think that this whole universe, physics, etc, is proof of intelligence and design, etc, and how I'm not alone in that, etc, etc, etc, but you do not even, or do not even seem to anyway, even want to even entertain it/that as even a possibility even, etc...?
I continue to say that you have incredulity and wishful thinking. Until you can present something which is actually evidence of intelligence you are just repeating your argument from incredulity. Do you really not understand that?
Wow, that is one incredibly offensive response. You directly quote me saying "I accept it as a possibility" and then have the audacity to say I do not even entertain possibility. That level of blatant dishonesty says a lot about your attitude to other people.
The fact you cannot recognise the incredulity in your own argument does not mean it is not there.I did already, this whole universe and/or reality as the "evidence", etc, determinism, etc, and please see what I just posted about "incredulity", etc...
That does not in any way count as an apology. We had a very lengthy discussion in another thread about teapots, which you accepted as evidence that I entertain the possibility. To now turn round and make that accusation is extremely dishonest. I treat you with respect and you accuse me of lying.I said "you seem to not even be entertaining it as a possibility", etc, big difference...
Direct quote from my post: "but you do not even, or do not even seem to anyway, even want to even entertain it/that as even a possibility even, etc...?"
The fact you cannot recognise the incredulity in your own argument does not mean it is not there.
That does not in any way count as an apology. We had a very lengthy discussion in another thread about teapots, which you accepted as evidence that I entertain the possibility. To now turn round and make that accusation is extremely dishonest. I treat you with respect and you accuse me of lying.
We're done.
And, the fact that you disbelieve what I am saying does not make it "not true" either, etc...
How do I have an "argument from incredulity" only, etc...? Care to maybe explain in detail how "I only have that only", etc...?But if all you have is an argument from incredulity, then there's no reason to believe that what you say is true. If you DO have something more than the argument from incredulity, why are you bothering with a flawed argument?
Do you really not understand the difference between "that's not necessarily the case" and "that's not true"?And, the fact that you disbelieve what I am saying does not make it "not true" either, etc...
It was dishonest. You know it was dishonest based on previous conversations. Claiming otherwise is just more dishonesty.I did say "seem to", or "seem to not want to", etc, now do you deny "that", etc...?
Then you came back at me all offended and such and accuse me of "dishonesty", being offensive, etc..."
Don't try to make me the one in the wrong here. You have made dishonest accusations against me, I have not done the same to you. You have directly dismissed what I said to you as being untrue, you have misrepresented what I said and now you want to imply that I am the one who should apologise?Now who, or whom should be the ones, or one really offended really...?
And, I'm not going to offer you an apology in this case either, so...?
From my point of view I was being honest and was telling the truth as I saw it, etc, and I'm not going to "apologize" for that, etc...
I will give or offer apologies when and where apologies are warranted, but not in this case, etc, K...?
My "wording" was very specific and was in no way "dishonest", etc...
I really don't expect an apology, really, "really", etc.... But neither should you expect one from me either, it was miscommunication and misunderstanding, that happens sometimes, etc, neither one of us was wrong or or was in the right or wrong or was lying or being untruthful or were more or less right or wrong than the other, etc, OK...Do you really not understand the difference between "that's not necessarily the case" and "that's not true"?
It was dishonest. You know it was dishonest based on previous conversations. Claiming otherwise is just more dishonesty.
Don't try to make me the one in the wrong here. You have made dishonest accusations against me, I have not done the same to you. You have directly dismissed what I said to you as being untrue, you have misrepresented what I said and now you want to imply that I am the one who should apologise?
I was not being dishonest and neither were you, we see things from "two different points of view" is all, with neither one either any more right or wrong or less or more honest or dishonest or and less or more valid or invalid than the other, OK...Do you really not understand the difference between "that's not necessarily the case" and "that's not true"?
It was dishonest. You know it was dishonest based on previous conversations. Claiming otherwise is just more dishonesty.
Don't try to make me the one in the wrong here. You have made dishonest accusations against me, I have not done the same to you. You have directly dismissed what I said to you as being untrue, you have misrepresented what I said and now you want to imply that I am the one who should apologise?
Just stop. It was dishonest, I have shown how it was dishonest and continuing to insist otherwise is just more dishonesty.I was not being dishonest
While this is true, you seem to feel justified in misrepresenting what I say and accusing me of things I have not done. That's the dishonesty I am calling you out on. And that's the dishonesty you refuse to acknowledge.we see things from "two different points of view" is all, with neither one either any more right or wrong or less or more honest or dishonest or and less or more valid or invalid than the other, OK...
How do I have an "argument from incredulity" only, etc...? Care to maybe explain in detail how "I only have that only", etc...?
Cause you guys keep saying that, but I don't get it and am not seeing it and do not see it that way at all, etc...
So, care to explain please maybe (instead of just saying that), etc...?
I even looked up the word "incredulity" and "arguments from incredulity", etc, and even posted about it just a little bit back in this thread, and am still "not getting it", etc, and I think you guys are just "throwing that word or those words or those terms around", etc...
Do you mean "hard to believe", or do you mean "not based on any kind of evidence" at all, etc...? or just "what" exactly...? And be specific please, cause I'm just not getting it at all, etc...?
Please tell me what you mean, etc...?
I do believe I have more than that, much, much more than that, but you guys keep denying it and/or outright rejecting it and are saying I don't have any more than that, etc...?
I posited "causal determinism" and determinism in general and in physics, etc, and this universe and/or the or this reality as the "evidence", etc, especially in physics, etc, for determinism and a deterministic universe, etc, yet you guys just keep saying "argument from incredulity", etc, etc, etc...?
So please don't do that anymore without telling me specifically what you mean, etc, OK...?
Anyway...
God Bless!
Why are you pressing this issue, I was not being dishonest (and neither were you) (except maybe in saying I was being 100% dishonest, etc)...Just stop. It was dishonest, I have shown how it was dishonest and continuing to insist otherwise is just more dishonesty.
While this is true, you seem to feel justified in misrepresenting what I say and accusing me of things I have not done. That's the dishonesty I am calling you out on. And that's the dishonesty you refuse to acknowledge.
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