If his name was not Donald Trump and if he wasn't running for President.....the case would have never been brought

[Always in His Presence]

The only fact in the OP article is that Coumo stated

"Former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) suggested Friday that the New York hush money case against former President Trump was only brought forward because of his name and White House bid." Those were his words, and this is without objection.

He stated his opinion. You agree with his opinion. That is the only fact you have provided. His substance is unproven, therefore it is conjecture, not fact.

Thank you for your opinion.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The only fact in the OP article is that Coumo stated

"Former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) suggested Friday that the New York hush money case against former President Trump was only brought forward because of his name and White House bid." Those were his words, and this is without objection.

He stated his opinion. You agree with his opinion. That is the only fact you have provided. His substance is unproven, therefore it is conjecture, not fact.

Cuomo is basically correct, but not in quite the way Trump backers think...

1. If Trump hadn't run for the presidency, he would have been far less interested in covering up his affair with Ms. Daniels and the short term urgency created by the Access Hollywood tape that triggered the payment through Mr. Cohen and generated the various crimes (illegal campaign contribution/loan by Cohen, false records to conceal repayment in Trump Org records)

2. The payment to Ms. Daniels (and therefore the nature of it) only came to light because the DOJ got the bank records of Mr. Cohen that included it and he was only under investigation because they were investigating a number of Trump associates for possible connections to Russian interference in the election (Mueller investigation) and they were considering the possible involvement of Mr. Cohen. So again if Trump hadn't run in 2016 or at least hadn't employed so many sketchy, Russian-tied characters (Flynn, Manafort, Gates, Coffee Boy) the payment would have never come to light and Cohen would never have been charged with it.

So yep, if Trump had never run for president in 2016 there would have been no illegal campaign contribution to cover up and if that campaign hadn't been filled with Russian-contacted persons, there would have been no Mueller probe to accidentally find the records of the original payment from Cohen to Daniels.

 

[Brihaha]

The right fell for it hook, line, sinker, battery and shark.

Many republicans even fall for the poll now too! Lol

Something similar occurred during midterm elections. Republicans were creating threads predicting how large their majority would be in the house and senate. Their preferred polls showed them a nonexistent red wave in the midterms. Some folks cannot seem to learn a lesson or reconcile their skewed perception with reality.

I believe some are finally second guessing their seemingly obstinate choice of picking the convicted criminal as their presidential nominee. Their excuses for the man are reaching desperate levels. And now that polls are beginning to reflect the damage to Mr Trump due to his 34 new criminal convictions, I expect this desperation will only increase as November approaches.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Many republicans even fall for the poll now too! Lol

Something similar occurred during midterm elections. Republicans were creating threads predicting how large their majority would be in the house and senate. Their preferred polls showed them a nonexistent red wave in the midterms. Some folks cannot seem to learn a lesson or reconcile their skewed perception with reality.

The poll dumping in 2022 seems to have been a deliberate strategy to make it look like the Dems were hopelessly behind in congressional races and it seems to have worked. "Bad polling" seems to have caused the Dems to pull back on their spending in the 2022 Wisc. senate contest and several close NY/CA districts where Biden had won in 2020 to retrench the senate contests in GA/AZ/PA/NV thinking that all were very close or behind. This likely cost he Dems the chance to get rid of RonJohn and to possibly retain control of the House.

Poll dumping worked because there are two major poll agregators: RCP and 538. 538 weights polls by quality and tries to unskew the natural, historical bias in various polling methods. RCP doesn't do any de-skewing or weighting, so it is more vulnerable to this kind of manipulation. Unfortunately, 538 belongs to ABC/Disney, so CNN, CBS, NBC, AP, Fox, and the big newspapers are more likely to use RCP in reporting or commentary.

 

[Brihaha]

The poll dumping in 2022 seems to have been a deliberate strategy to make it look like the Dems were hopelessly behind in congressional races and it seems to have worked. "Bad polling" seems to have caused the Dems to pull back on their spending in the 2022 Wisc. senate contest and several close NY/CA districts where Biden had won in 2020 to retrench the senate contests in GA/AZ/PA/NV thinking that all were very close or behind. This likely cost he Dems the chance to get rid of RonJohn and to possibly retain control of the House.

Poll dumping worked because there are two major poll agregators: RCP and 538. 538 weights polls by quality and tries to unskew the natural, historical bias in various polling methods. RCP doesn't do any de-skewing or weighting, so it is more vulnerable to this kind of manipulation. Unfortunately, 538 belongs to ABC/Disney, so CNN, CBS, NBC, AP, Fox, and the big newspapers are more likely to use RCP in reporting or commentary.

Polls seem like a straight up scam nowadays. Candidates like Trump will pay good money for a poll to give favorable numbers. People are willing to put faith into unfaithful grifters and keep acting surprised when it doesn't turn out for them.

You likely have a good point about the midterm elections. I honestly don't pay much attention to party strategy or analyzing results. I can't affiliate myself with either party. I just vote for the best candidate in each race. I recall that RonJohn feller once promised to leave congress after his term expired...but he's still there? No doubt working hard on immigration reform and such lol.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Polls seem like a straight up scam nowadays. Candidates like Trump will pay good money for a poll to give favorable numbers. People are willing to put faith into unfaithful grifters and keep acting surprised when it doesn't turn out for them.

You likely have a good point about the midterm elections. I honestly don't pay much attention to party strategy or analyzing results. I can't affiliate myself with either party. I just vote for the best candidate in each race. I recall that RonJohn feller once promised to leave congress after his term expired...but he's still there? No doubt working hard on immigration reform and such lol.

The polls campaigns pay good money for are the ones that are useful to them to craft their strategy for the end phase of the election. The stuff that was being dumped onto the public sites was just low-grade garbage in comparison.

 

[DaisyDay]

There are other whose use of buzz words are legendary, so I step aside.

Does not change the facts in the op.

The facts seem solid enough, but the significance does change.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Cuomo is basically correct, but not in quite the way Trump backers think...

1. If Trump hadn't run for the presidency, he would have been far less interested in covering up his affair with Ms. Daniels and the short term urgency created by the Access Hollywood tape that triggered the payment through Mr. Cohen and generated the various crimes (illegal campaign contribution/loan by Cohen, false records to conceal repayment in Trump Org records)

2. The payment to Ms. Daniels (and therefore the nature of it) only came to light because the DOJ got the bank records of Mr. Cohen that included it and he was only under investigation because they were investigating a number of Trump associates for possible connections to Russian interference in the election (Mueller investigation) and they were considering the possible involvement of Mr. Cohen. So again if Trump hadn't run in 2016 or at least hadn't employed so many sketchy, Russian-tied characters (Flynn, Manafort, Gates, Coffee Boy) the payment would have never come to light and Cohen would never have been charged with it.

So yep, if Trump had never run for president in 2016 there would have been no illegal campaign contribution to cover up and if that campaign hadn't been filled with Russian-contacted persons, there would have been no Mueller probe to accidentally find the records of the original payment from Cohen to Daniels.

Except Cuomo stated this just days ago and was referring to the current election cycle.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Keep in mind

Paying hush money is not illegal. Ask bill clinton who paid seven times more to keep his affair quiet.

Trump was found guilty on how his accounting team recorded the check. His attorney sent him a bill. Trump authorized the attorneys bill to be paid. The accounting team book the invoice as legal fees.

And that is what Trump was found guilty of. Yeah, go figure

 

[Hans Blaster]

Except Cuomo stated this just days ago and was referring to the current election cycle.

Then he is an irrelevant fool.

 

[JustOneWay]

And that is what Trump was found guilty of. Yeah, go figure

Guilty of breaking the law.

Lock him up.

 

[JustOneWay]

Thank you for your opinion.

You're welcome for my opinion about Coumo's opinion.

As a matter of fact, Coumo and Maher's discussion on the entire subject ended with "If they just heard the one about trying to overthrow the government of the United Stares. That's the main thing". In other words, both men agreed that this NY case was a less important one than the other laws Trump broke. The only difference is that Trump had less power to delay this trial until after the election. Jordan, Comer and Trump's other 'friends' on Capitol Hill are the ones dabbling in election interference for trying to go after Bragg and a state case while interfering in the court's business. Face it, Trump's felony conviction will not be overturned, and the republicans are now choosing to vote for a convicted felon.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Trump was charged with NY business records crimes, Hillary doesn't have a business.

I got sidetracked yesterday but I'll reply to this later as I have time.

 

[AlexB23]

I got sidetracked yesterday but I'll reply to this later as I have time.

No worries. We all get sidetracked every once in a while.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Then he is an irrelevant fool.

Like I said earlier - he goes from hero to zero - Hero when he opposes Trump and Zero when he sates anything outside the hive.

You're welcome for my opinion about Coumo's opinion.

As a matter of fact, Coumo and Maher's discussion on the entire subject ended with "If they just heard the one about trying to overthrow the government of the United Stares. That's the main thing". In other words, both men agreed that this NY case was a less important one than the other laws Trump broke. The only difference is that Trump had less power to delay this trial until after the election. Jordan, Comer and Trump's other 'friends' on Capitol Hill are the ones dabbling in election interference for trying to go after Bragg and a state case while interfering in the court's business. Face it, Trump's felony conviction will not be overturned, and the republicans are now choosing to vote for a convicted felon.

I understand that it is your hope and desire that the convictions will not be overturned - how about if we let the courts decide that?

As for the new and oft repeated byline - convicted felon. Let me remind the readers.

Bottom line - Biden has done such an amazing job - so great in his policies that he is having a very difficult time overcoming a convicted felon

Gee - I wonder why?

 

[Pommer]

The only difference is that Trump had less power to delay this trial until after the election. Jordan, Comer and Trump's other 'friends' on Capitol Hill are the ones dabbling in election interference for trying to go after Bragg and a state case while interfering in the court's business. Face it, Trump's felony conviction will not be overturned, and the republicans are now choosing to vote for a convicted felon.

I hear that DA Bragg will delight the House Judiciary Committee on July 12, when he appears before them, (voluntarily).

 

[JustOneWay]

convicted felon.

Correct

 

[Always in His Presence]

Correct

That Biden is currently losing to - that is also correct.

When we were kids we used to say "he couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag" - it mean the person was a weakling - well Joe can fight his way over a convicted felon - means the same thing