if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

[frankleespeaking]

I'm surprised at how dull parents are, thinking that witchcraft is make believe, certianly Harry Potter movies push you into believing witchcraft is fantasy, but ask any real witch how much fantasy is there is in real witchcraft and you would be amazed. The bible tells you sorcery is an abomination, yet when young Harry does it, and your kid mimics Harry's sorcery you just smile and say "its make believe", I don't understand why anyone would want Harry Potter or any of the twilight actors to be your kids idols, or to be fans of these portayals of characters, that stand against everything God is against. Drinking blood, performing rituals of witchcraft, I don't understand if someone says "I love Jesus and want to please Him", and then they love these shows and movies, which are in complete contradiction to the behavior and character of Christ. How is this possible? is there no discernment between good and evil, because Harry is considered a good sorcerer, right! and in Gods eyes there are no good sorcerers, they all are evil

 

[itisdeliciouscake]

Harry Potter is the most crystal-clear Christ-type in literature since Narnia.

 

[PaladinValer]

I'm surprised at how dull parents are, thinking that witchcraft is make believe, certianly Harry Potter movies push you into believing witchcraft is fantasy, but ask any real witch how much fantasy is there is in real witchcraft and you would be amazed.

I know Wiccan theology. I know Neopagan theology in general fairly well.

Most would laugh you to shame if you stand by your words here.

The bible tells you sorcery is an abomination, yet when young Harry does it, and your kid mimics Harry's sorcery you just smile and say "its make believe", I don't understand why anyone would want Harry Potter or any of the twilight actors to be your kids idols, or to be fans of these portayals of characters, that stand against everything God is against.

There is nothing in Harry Potter that is like the practices of today's Neopagans.

Drinking blood, performing rituals of witchcraft, I don't understand if someone says "I love Jesus and want to please Him", and then they love these shows and movies, which are in complete contradiction to the behavior and character of Christ. How is this possible? is there no discernment between good and evil, because Harry is considered a good sorcerer, right! and in Gods eyes there are no good sorcerers, they all are evil

You clearly have no clue what kind of magic the Holy Writ condemns and you clearly have no clue what kind of magic Harry and Co practice in the books.

 

[itisdeliciouscake]

Harry Potter, the story of a boy who was prophesied about, who was born into obscurity, who was hated and mistreated, who is constantly confronting evil, who is marked by virtues of courage, love, and self-sacrifice, who eventually allows himself to be killed in order to destroy evil and save those he loves, and who finally comes back to life.

It doesn't get more evil than that.....

 

[frankleespeaking]

Harry Potter is the most crystal-clear Christ-type in literature since Narnia.

Christ-type? witchcraft 101 interesting!

 

[PaladinValer]

Harry Potter, the story of a boy who was prophesied about, who was born into obscurity, who was hated and mistreated, who is constantly confronting evil, who is marked by virtues of courage, love, and self-sacrifice, who eventually allows himself to be killed in order to destroy evil and save those he loves, and who finally comes back to life.

It doesn't get more evil than that.....

One quibble: I don't believe Harry actually died; only the part of Voldemort within him did.

Otherwise and in general, fantastic post!

 

[frankleespeaking]

I know Wiccan theology. I know Neopagan theology in general fairly well.

Most would laugh you to shame if you stand by your words here.



There is nothing in Harry Potter that is like the practices of today's Neopagans.



You clearly have no clue what kind of magic the Holy Writ condemns and you clearly have no clue what kind of magic Harry and Co practice in the books.

Oh I'm sure your right! most Christians would laugh at me, but I'll never be ashamed of the gospel, or of Jesus, please inform me as to what forms of witchcraft "the holy writ condemns"? we know from scripture we are not to drink blood, so I would say the "holy writ condemns that would you agree?

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

I guess alot of christians who speak latin would too oh gosh I forgot, you can't make things float by saying levi-OH-sa Or make people die by saying Avadacavra or however it's spelled. Sorry just watched the movies so far. Only ready half blood prince :$

Mister potter sure is evil standing against racism and evil. Yep. Besides if he were real there is a very good chance everything you knew about the bible was wrong. Especially if their was magic involved derrrrrp.

 

[itisdeliciouscake]

Scripture says not to practice witchcraft or sorcery.

I practice neither of those.

Why add man's commandments about what you can/cannot read/watch on top of God's commandments?

 

[God's Word]

if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell
I'm surprised at how dull parents are, thinking that witchcraft is make believe, certianly Harry Potter movies push you into believing witchcraft is fantasy, but ask any real witch how much fantasy is there is in real witchcraft and you would be amazed. The bible tells you sorcery is an abomination, yet when young Harry does it, and your kid mimics Harry's sorcery you just smile and say "its make believe", I don't understand why anyone would want Harry Potter or any of the twilight actors to be your kids idols, or to be fans of these portayals of characters, that stand against everything God is against. Drinking blood, performing rituals of witchcraft, I don't understand if someone says "I love Jesus and want to please Him", and then they love these shows and movies, which are in complete contradiction to the behavior and character of Christ. How is this possible? is there no discernment between good and evil, because Harry is considered a good sorcerer, right! and in Gods eyes there are no good sorcerers, they all are evil

You know, when I first read your post, although I agreed with your condemnation of witchcraft/sorcery/etc., I thought that you were being a bit presumptuous by stating that professing Christians either condone or have no problem with this type of stuff.

THEN I READ THE RESPONSES...

You're spot on, my friend. Don't ever be ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ...a gospel that addresses evil and the spirits behind it head on.

 

[PaladinValer]

Oh I'm sure your right! most Christians would laugh at me,

No, I said the Neopagans will laugh at you because you seem to think the "magic" in the books is what they practice.

but I'll never be ashamed of the gospel, or of Jesus,

Then accept the truth of your ridiculous claims - that they are nonsense. You're ideas are false and betray the Gospel of Truth that we Christians are to adhere to.

please inform me as to what forms of witchcraft "the holy writ condemns"?

Magic in Biblical times was always religious in nature. They were rites and rituals associated with the deities and other divine powers, tapping into stores of power that resided supposedly within nature or otherworldly forces.

Magic in Harry Potter is completely different. It is a formula of somatic, verbal, and material components usually with a focus (a wand often). There are no invocations of the divine; the divine and nature are not addressed. As such, the Bible is basically mute to the issue.

You cannot wave a stick with a mythological creature's body part inside of it in a certain way while speaking psuedo-Latin and produce an effect. It is a fantasy septology.

we know from scripture we are not to drink blood, so I would say the "holy writ condemns that would you agree?

My point was, where in Harry Potter do Harry and Company drink blood? You're accusing the books of promoting something, so post proof that they indeed do as much. And you better make sure the evidence shows the good guys are doing it; showing that Voldemort, his Death Eaters, etc, are doing it doesn't prove your point since they are the antagonists and obviously the books are against them.

 

[ivebeenshown]

Interestingly the word 'pharmakeia' [sic], translated 'sorceries', is remarkably similar to 'pharmaceuticals' or 'pharmacy', and it is thought to have meant certain drugs used for immoral purposes, such as abortifacients or conjuring spirits.

 

[abysmul]

Christ-type? witchcraft 101 interesting!

C.S. Lewis, one of the greatest Christian authors and apologetics in history wrote of Aslan... a very Christ-type... and a lion to boot. Shocking and unGodly I know. How dare that champion of the Christian faith write of the witchcraft he did in his Narnia books.

 

[PaladinValer]

Interestingly the word 'pharmakeia' [sic], translated 'sorceries', is remarkably similar to 'pharmaceuticals' or 'pharmacy', and it is thought to have meant certain drugs used for immoral purposes, such as abortifacients or conjuring spirits.

This is correct, and your etymology is correct: it is where we indeed get the words "pharmacy" and "pharmaceuticals" from.

 

[itisdeliciouscake]

I just feel like it's very sad when people take Christianity to mean that you can't enjoy a good book. Honestly, sadness is the only real emotion I have for people who get riled up about Harry Potter. No anger or contempt. I just feel like their religion must be very depressing if they have trouble enjoying things.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Yeah it is quite sad.

 

[2thePoint]

2 Cor. 11:14b-15a: "Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness."

Satan doesn't wear a red suit with a name tag that says "Hi, I'm here to deceive you" and point his pitchfork at Christians. Instead, he appears harmless and "light", attractive and positive. He poses as Christ and mixes truth with error. So finding or imposing Christian principles onto works of fiction written by avowed non-Christians (or ignoring the questionable beliefs of professing ones) in no way proves that the likes of Harry Potter are harmless or even positive religious entertainment. Today we have those such as Rob Bell who spread teachings like Universalism and are adored by many Christians as having the truth, and likely will be given places alongside Lewis as great Christian writers. But the question is not how many Christian authors we can find to compare with the Potter series, but whether any kind of magic or blood drinking (!) could possibly be condoned by God.

PS: When Christians feel deprived of entertainment if they can't read books about magic spells, something is seriously wrong. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Zecryphon]

Oh I'm sure your right! most Christians would laugh at me, but I'll never be ashamed of the gospel, or of Jesus, please inform me as to what forms of witchcraft "the holy writ condemns"? we know from scripture we are not to drink blood, so I would say the "holy writ condemns that would you agree?

I would not agree that the whole of Holy Writ condemns drinking blood. The commands to not eat blood were given to the Israelites in the Old Testament. In the New Testament we see this command given to all believers in Christ:

Joh 6:51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh."
Joh 6:52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
Joh 6:53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
Joh 6:54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
Joh 6:55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
Joh 6:56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me.
Joh 6:58 This is the bread that came down from heaven, not as the fathers ate and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever."

 

[PaladinValer]

2 Cor. 11:14b-15a: "Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness."

Satan doesn't wear a red suit with a name tag that says "Hi, I'm here to deceive you" and point his pitchfork at Christians. Instead, he appears harmless and "light", attractive and positive. He poses as Christ and mixes truth with error. So finding or imposing Christian principles onto works of fiction written by avowed non-Christians (or ignoring the questionable beliefs of professing ones) in no way proves that the likes of Harry Potter are harmless or even positive religious entertainment. Today we have those such as Rob Bell who spread teachings like Universalism and are adored by many Christians as having the truth, and likely will be given places alongside Lewis as great Christian writers. But the question is not how many Christian authors we can find to compare with the Potter series, but whether any kind of magic or blood drinking (!) could possibly be condoned by God.

PS: When Christians feel deprived of entertainment if they can't read books about magic spells, something is seriously wrong. Just my 2 cents.

1. I showed how there is no such "magic" in the Harry Potter books.
2. It has yet been proven of any blood-drinking in the books either, or do you just accept people at their word when they haven't given proof and reject the testimony of those like itisdeliciouscake or myself who have read the books and tell you otherwise? Who do you believe?
3. Your PS is a Straw Man since no one has suggested as such.

 

[God's Word]

PS: When Christians feel deprived of entertainment if they can't read books about magic spells, something is seriously wrong. Just my 2 cents.

How true. Speaking of being "entertained", did you ever consider that it's synonymous with being "beguiled"? It is:

Beguile Synonyms, Beguile Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

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