If Gods Law is Perfect, why is it called a curse if you cant keep it perfeclty?

[BobRyan]

Works of Law cannot lead to sanctification, becoming unblemished sacrifices, having the qualification to share in the ministry of Christ, becoming the righteousness of God, becoming sin bearers, sharing in His affliction and making up what remains of His work, toward a better resurrection.

Those who turn back to the works of the law are turning back to a defunct covenant. They are trampling on the new covenant, saying the kingdom is not amongst us, but is yet to come. By observing Sabbath, continuing in works of the law, they are saying the rest has not been given, the rest from our own works.

Hebrews 4:10For the one who enters God's rest has also rested from his works, just as God did from his works.


The point is that the new man died to the Law just as the wife broke away from the marriage when the old humanity died, in Christ. He was qualified to represent all humanity, just as Adam was qualified to represent all humanity. Christ is our kinsman redeemer, qualified to redeem.

It is best not to conflate the fact that the Law is not a means of earning salvation - with the New Covenant fact of saints in harmony with the Law of God - in that they actually "KEEP the Commandments"

By contrast to conflating the two -- the New Covenant says the "I will write My LAW on the mind and on their heart" Jer 31:31-33, Heb 8.

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

1 John 5:1-4
"Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

 

[disciple1]

It is best not to conflate the fact that the Law is not a means of earning salvation - with the New Covenant fact of saints in harmony with the Law of God - in that they actually "KEEP the Commandments"

By contrast the New Covenant says the "I will write My LAW on the mind and on their heart" Jer 31:31-33, Heb 8.

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

1 John 5:1-4
"Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

Galatians chapter 3 verse 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.

 

[bugkiller]

The law given to Moses came from God and its the same law that was passed along through each generation. Jesus fulfilled the law and abolished all the animal sacrifices, burnt offerings, and any other ceremonial aspect that was in regards to the temple.

The law was only passed down to Israeli and no one else. The law was never given to the nations or all people according to Moses.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The law given to Moses came from God and its the same law that was passed along through each generation. Jesus fulfilled the law and abolished all the animal sacrifices, burnt offerings, and any other ceremonial aspect that was in regards to the temple.

I want to know where Jesus talked about doing away with some parts of the law.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68444154, member: 235244"]QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68388922, member: 235244"]Give me the Bible AND the Words IN the Bible

Romans 6

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.

...

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
...
20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. 22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.[/QUOTE]




That the point made in these scriptures is irrefutable.[/QUOTE]

If you obeyed the law without sinning I would think this applied to me

1. Some Christians on this board believe that sola scriptura testing of all doctrine is the right thing to do -- what you propose is not "sola scriptura testing" of anything.

2. Some Christians on this board accept the text of Romans 6 - as written.

2 Peter chapter 3 verse 16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

3. If your argument is that Romans 6 is too confusing to read and also understand - then fine. Let that be your defense - but not all Christians on this board are going to go for that solution.

 

[bugkiller]

And if Jesus lives in you he will be doing the will and works of God through you, which ALL the law upholds. You issue is you through out the cup and hold up the baby as if it never needed the cup. Israel is the cup that sanctified the Messiah and you're just going to have to deal with that. Your words negate scores of prophecies (promises) God made regarding Israel. And it completely negates Messiahs message. You have a Messiah condemning the people he comes to redeem. And replacing them with non-people. And then you seem to gloat about it. Jesus is the full representation of the law, and he is supposed to be living through you. But you don't speak as he did about the law, Israel, nor those who believe in him.... You speak another message all together, one of replacement, and nullification. You're really going to have to come to terms that your righteousness is the Holy One of Israel. Who redeems us, as Israel.

You don't understand the covenants nor the promise given to Abraham.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

2 Peter chapter 3 verse 16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

I want to know where Jesus talked about doing away with some parts of the law.

bugkiller

4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5 Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says,


“Sacrifice and offering You have not desired,
But a body You have prepared for Me;
6 In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have taken no pleasure.
7 “Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come
(In the scroll of the book it is written of Me)
To do Your will, O God.’”

8 After saying above, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have not desired, nor have You taken pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the Law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first in order to establish the second. 10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
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All the while Christ affirms the writings of Moses as "The Word of God" that judges all doctrine, tradition and practice (sola scriptura).

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Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Notice that it is identified as "Moses said" and as "The Word of God"

AND as the "Commandment of God"??

 

[bugkiller]

IMO, the inheritance is every good thing promised to Abraham and his descendants through an eternal covenant, which was renewed with Isaac, then Jacob, then with the sons of Jacob (Israel) via Moses (aka Mosaic covenant), and FINALLY with the sons of Jacob (Israel) via Messiah (aka New covenant).

IOW, pretty much every eternal covenant blessing and eternal covenant promise you see anywhere in scripture.

It's always been received by faith, starting with Abraham. (Hebrews 11)

Works of the law could never attain it.

But faith has always expressed itself in obedience to the words of God. (James 2:17, James 2:26, Romans 1:5, Romans 16:26, Hebrews 11, Joshua 1:7-8)

IOW, obeying God's every word (law) is a lifestyle of goodness and wisdom, but ALL things are attained by FAITH in GOD.

Can anyone obey all God's words (laws) perfectly? In our own power NO.

But does that mean we ignore, or throw away God's holy perfect laws and do as we please? No.

By faith we lean on God and get His grace ability (power) to do whatever HE says.

"Remember your leaders and superiors in authority [for it was they] who brought to you the Word of God. Observe attentively and consider their manner of living (the outcome of their well-spent lives) and imitate their FAITH (FAITH IS their conviction that God exists and is the Creator and Ruler of all things, the Provider and Bestower of eternal salvation through MESSIAH, and their leaning of the entire human personality on God in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness)." - Hebrews 13:7 AMP

"[Not in your own strength] for it is God Who is all the while effectually at work in you [energizing and creating in you the power and desire], both to will and to work for [DO] His good pleasure and satisfaction and delight." - Philippians 2:13 AMP

No and the proof is no one ever has except Jesus.

Abraham was given two covenants.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5 Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says,


“Sacrifice and offering You have not desired,
But a body You have prepared for Me;
6 In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have taken no pleasure.
7 “Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come
(In the scroll of the book it is written of Me)
To do Your will, O God.’”

8 After saying above, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have not desired, nor have You taken pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the Law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first in order to establish the second. 10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

All the while Christ affirms the writings of Moses as "The Word of God" that judges all doctrine, tradition and practice (sola scriptura).

=======================================
Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Notice that it is identified as "Moses said" and as "The Word of God"

AND as the "Commandment of God"??

Nope, try again.

bugkiller

 

[disciple1]

4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5 Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says,


“Sacrifice and offering You have not desired,
But a body You have prepared for Me;
6 In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have taken no pleasure.
7 “Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come
(In the scroll of the book it is written of Me)
To do Your will, O God.’”

8 After saying above, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have not desired, nor have You taken pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the Law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first in order to establish the second. 10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

All the while Christ affirms the writings of Moses as "The Word of God" that judges all doctrine, tradition and practice (sola scriptura).

=======================================
Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Notice that it is identified as "Moses said" and as "The Word of God"

AND as the "Commandment of God"??[/QUOTE]
The law in the old and new testament doesn't apply and are the same, it's only through understanding the bible that you understand as Galatians says in chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
No one obeys the law, all we have to do is love, since love is greater than faith.
Hebrews chapter 7
11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.


18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own they did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[bugkiller]

SHORT ANSWER
Jesus is saying "imitate HIS way of keeping God's laws".

LONG ANSWER
Each Rabbi taught his students his version of how to keep God's laws, much like how denominations today teach their people to interpret scripture according to their doctrines.

Jesus disagreed with some of the Pharisees on THEIR interpretation of how to keep God's holy and perfect laws. So saying "keep my words" "keep my commandments" is like saying "keep my interpretation of how to keep God's law".

Scripture is filled with learning from (imitating) teachers, and learning from (imitating) God. In fact Jesus claimed to be obeying and imitating God in everything HE did.

John tells us to imitate Jesus (3 John 1:11)

Here's a few more of the many examples of learning and imitating: (Luke 11:1, Micah 4:2, John 6:45, Psalm 71:17, Psalm 119:102, Isaiah 54:13, Romans 11:14, 1 Corinthians 11:1, Ephesians 5:1, 2 Thessalonians 3:7, Hebrews 13:7, 3 John 1:11, Luke 6:40, Matthew 10:24, Ephesians 4:11)


JESUS ONLY AFFIRMS THE LAW
There's no RED words saying the law is done away with, but there are RED words AFFIRMING the law.

There's also no NEW commandments. Everything Jesus says is somewhere in the OT. He's taking what's old and making it renewed, refreshed, correcting popular misunderstandings, and taking it to the deepest levels of the heart motive behind God's commands (love, grace, mercy, and trusting God).

No Jesus isn't saying nor implying a requirement to keep the law.

If there is no new commandment you call Jesus or the Bible a liar.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Reread what you just said and see what sense that makes. How can Jesus be teaching from the Torah and explaining what it actually means to the Jews, but be a long way from teaching from it at the same time? If the NT was not put together yet, its clear that what Jesus and the disciples had was good enough to bring the message of salvation. Please go and read your bible

Teaching in the idea I have in mind is making it a requirement to keep the law. Until the cross the COI were required to keep the law.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Reread what you just said and see what sense that makes. How can Jesus be teaching from the Torah and explaining what it actually means to the Jews, but be a long way from teaching from it at the same time? If the NT was not put together yet, its clear that what Jesus and the disciples had was good enough to bring the message of salvation. Please go and read your bible

I did. Please read John very carefully.

bugkiller

 

[disciple1]

Teaching in the idea I have in mind is making it a requirement to keep the law. Until the cross the COI were required to keep the law.

bugkiller

You don't keep the law the only thing we have to do is written at the end of this and it's all the bible.
Galatians chapter 4 verse 21-31
Tell me you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? For it is written that Abraham had two sons,one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.
These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written: "be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband. Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
1 Kings chapter 8 verse 46 When they sin against you for there is no one who does not sin
2 Chronicles chapter 6 verse 36 When they sin against you for there is no one who does not sin
1John chapter 1 verse 8 If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10 If anyone keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point there guilty of breaking all of it.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 14 the entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as your self.

 

[bugkiller]

You don't keep the law

Amen!!

the only thing we have to do is written at the end of this and it's all the bible.
Galatians chapter 4 verse 21-31
Tell me you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? For it is written that Abraham had two sons,one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.
These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written: "be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband. Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
1 Kings chapter 8 verse 46 When they sin against you for there is no one who does not sin
2 Chronicles chapter 6 verse 36 When they sin against you for there is no one who does not sin
1John chapter 1 verse 8 If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10 If anyone keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point there guilty of breaking all of it.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 14 the entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as your self.

Amen! Paul says under the inspiration to the Holy Spirit we're to throw out the law.

bugkiller

 

[Truthfrees]

IMO, the inheritance is every good thing promised to Abraham and his descendants through an eternal covenant, which was renewed with Isaac, then Jacob, then with the sons of Jacob (Israel) via Moses (aka Mosaic covenant), and FINALLY with the sons of Jacob (Israel) via Messiah (aka New covenant).

IOW, pretty much every eternal covenant blessing and eternal covenant promise you see anywhere in scripture.

It's always been received by faith, starting with Abraham. (Hebrews 11)

Works of the law could never attain it.

But faith has always expressed itself in obedience to the words of God. (James 2:17, James 2:26, Romans 1:5, Romans 16:26, Hebrews 11, Joshua 1:7-8)

IOW, obeying God's every word (law) is a lifestyle of goodness and wisdom, but ALL things are attained by FAITH in GOD.

Can anyone obey all God's words (laws) perfectly? In our own power NO.

But does that mean we ignore, or throw away God's holy perfect laws and do as we please? No.

By faith we lean on God and get His grace ability (power) to do whatever HE says.

"Remember your leaders and superiors in authority [for it was they] who brought to you the Word of God. Observe attentively and consider their manner of living (the outcome of their well-spent lives) and imitate their FAITH (FAITH IS their conviction that God exists and is the Creator and Ruler of all things, the Provider and Bestower of eternal salvation through MESSIAH, and their leaning of the entire human personality on God in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness)." - Hebrews 13:7 AMP

"[Not in your own strength] for it is God Who is all the while effectually at work in you [energizing and creating in you the power and desire], both to will and to work for [DO] His good pleasure and satisfaction and delight." - Philippians 2:13 AMP

No and the proof is no one ever has except Jesus.

Abraham was given two covenants.

bugkiller

Paul said he did. "Concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless." - Philippians 3:6

If Paul did this without the indwelling Holy Spirit (before he was saved), how much more should we be able to keep God's Holy Laws (which are now also written on our hearts and minds) by the power of the Holy Spirit.

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." - Philippians 4:13

Could you clarify with scripture what you mean by 2 covenants for Abraham?

 

[Truthfrees]

Amen!!
Amen! Paul says under the inspiration to the Holy Spirit we're to throw out the law.

bugkiller

Yet Jesus says by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit heaven and earth will pass away before God's Holy Laws do.

"17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. " - Matthew 5:17-19

Heaven and earth hasn't passed away yet, and the law hasn't been fulfilled yet, because Jesus is returning to fight the last battle, set up the new kingdom on earth, eliminate death, etc.

Paul needs to be interpreted in agreement with Jesus, not against Jesus. Jesus is God.

The law can't have passed away because it's written on our hearts and minds. Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16

Can you throw out the law written on your heart by God? Then why would you want to throw it out at all?

 

[Truthfrees]

SHORT ANSWER
Jesus is saying "imitate HIS way of keeping God's laws".

LONG ANSWER
Each Rabbi taught his students his version of how to keep God's laws, much like how denominations today teach their people to interpret scripture according to their doctrines.

Jesus disagreed with some of the Pharisees on THEIR interpretation of how to keep God's holy and perfect laws. So saying "keep my words" "keep my commandments" is like saying "keep my interpretation of how to keep God's law".

Scripture is filled with learning from (imitating) teachers, and learning from (imitating) God. In fact Jesus claimed to be obeying and imitating God in everything HE did.

John tells us to imitate Jesus (3 John 1:11)

Here's a few more of the many examples of learning and imitating: (Luke 11:1, Micah 4:2, John 6:45, Psalm 71:17, Psalm 119:102, Isaiah 54:13, Romans 11:14, 1 Corinthians 11:1, Ephesians 5:1, 2 Thessalonians 3:7, Hebrews 13:7, 3 John 1:11, Luke 6:40, Matthew 10:24, Ephesians 4:11)


JESUS ONLY AFFIRMS THE LAW
There's no RED words saying the law is done away with, but there are RED words AFFIRMING the law.

There's also no NEW commandments. Everything Jesus says is somewhere in the OT. He's taking what's old and making it renewed, refreshed, correcting popular misunderstandings, and taking it to the deepest levels of the heart motive behind God's commands (love, grace, mercy, and trusting God).

No Jesus isn't saying nor implying a requirement to keep the law.

If there is no new commandment you call Jesus or the Bible a liar.

bugkiller

The ONLY time Jesus said He was giving a new commandment is when Jesus said this:

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another." - John 13:34

Is that commandment really new?

"Love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord." - Leviticus 19:18

John says the love commandment is new but not new. Read 1 John 2:7-11 to see why an old commandment is now called new.

This kind of scripture study helps show why the Greek and Hebrew word "new" is really being made new, refreshed, renewed, coming alive.

Kinda like the difference between logos and rhema, letter of the law vs spirit of the law, etc.

Jesus never says the law is gone, or done away with.

Jesus says to keep the law and teach others to keep the law. Matthew 5:19, Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42

"17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:17-19

 

[Wordkeeper]

Paul said he did. "Concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless." - Philippians 3:6

If Paul did this without the indwelling Holy Spirit (before he was saved), how much more should we be able to keep God's Holy Laws (which are now also written on our hearts and minds) by the power of the Holy Spirit.

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." - Philippians 4:13

Could you clarify with scripture what you mean by 2 covenants for Abraham?

Paul was blameless, found righteous, justified, just as the publican in the temple was justified, by humbling himself in confession and prayer for forgiveness, not by perfectly obeying all the law.

 

[Truthfrees]

Paul was blameless, found righteous, justified, just as the publican in the temple was justified, by humbling himself in confession and prayer for forgiveness, not by perfectly obeying all the law.

Absolutely true. I agree and so do the OC believers like King David agree.

Philippians 3:6 though is Paul explaining his life BEFORE Christ.

IOW, obeying God's laws is possible, just not for righteousness or salvation.