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1. God does not talk to us except through his word.
How would you describe a man who hears voices from God telling him to kill his son? A serious answer please.Are you suggesting that Abraham was mentally ill?
How would you describe a man who hears voices from God telling him to kill his son? A serious answer please.
How would you describe a man who hears voices from God telling him to kill his son? A serious answer please.
Should I do it?
Clearly, God has not (no worries), but it's a thought experiment I've been struggling with.
Is morality absolute?
God commanded Abraham to kill Isaac. God commanded Moses to murder. God commanded the Israelites to commit genocide. God would not command murder or genocide again?
God was testing Abraham and he did not kill. God did not command Moses to kill he did it of his own accord.
You need to understand the difference in covenants. We are under the new covenant which is based in love.
Depends on the context.
Is the man your average Joe Blow or is he a the father of many nations who bore sons who would become the leaders of the twelve tribes of Israel?
I am not sure how this manifestation of the order to kill is being perceived; though, we as Christians are to test the spirit and not just blindly obey. More than likely the manifestation to kill will fail any and all tests of being from God. God created all we know from nothing, He can handle his own battles, there are plenty of examples where God has fought battles.
When you study the scriptures in depth, there is a lot more going on in the OT than God just ordering mass genocide ... etc. Unfortunately, most Christians have no idea what is going on in the OT; let alone, someone just randomly reading the Bible, I wouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly.
Something to remember as well:
By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead. -- Hebrews 11
So with Abraham, we have to restate the situation:
If Abraham absolutely believed God could and would resurrect Isaac--based on God's promise that the specific individual Isaac would be alive to bear children later--was it immoral for Abraham to go ahead with the sacrifice?
This reminds me of a scene from the movie "The Abyss" where a man and a woman trapped in a disabled submarine will have to transit to another vehicle, but they don't have enough air for both of them to make the trip. They reason that because women can supposedly go without air longer, the man would take the air and they would resuscitate the woman after she had drowned.
This was not an immoral concept for the movie, so I don't think it's immoral with regard to Abraham--Abraham's expectation that Isaac would be brought back to life was for him no less valid than a man's belief today that a woman could be resuscitated after being drowned.
Abraham outsmarted God? If Abraham figured out God's trick, did he really have faith? If God put this test to Abraham, after being telling him how to beat the test, how was Abraham really tested?
Abraham outsmarted God? If Abraham figured out God's trick, did he really have faith? If God put this test to Abraham, after being telling him how to beat the test, how was Abraham really tested?
Right. However, there are plenty of examples where God had others fight His battles for Him.
That is more than reasonable. However, I don't understand how these stories are not of the utmost concern to believers. If they don't understand it, why are believers not asking these questions? I have heard many explanations of what is going on in the OT, and I have a few ideas of my own. So, what is going on in the Old Testament?
If I may say so, when Abraham was hearing the voice of God, he was not yet the father of nations.
On what basis do we determine who is genuinely hearing the voice of God, and who is just "Joe Blow"?
Is being maggot fertilizer an absolute state ? Secular humanist atheist/agnostics teach our kids there are no-absolutes. That's like programming a fresh hard-drive to compute w/yes-no & maybe.Brainwashing is just illogical data presented as fact to an impressionable mind; be they Hitler youth,Rev. Jones's suicide sinners or Mormon missionarys. Garbage in = garbage out. (FACT)Should I do it?
Clearly, God has not (no worries), but it's a thought experiment I've been struggling with.
Is morality absolute?
I run over the pedophile;serial sinner & claim 'brake failure' In 1965 the FED. Govt payed me $400 mo. 2 kill little yellow guys. Is it really so hard 2 believe God might B/that angry. And the thing w/Issac was a Holy Halloween joke. A test of loyalty not a sadistic jest.. FINIf God commands you to kill someone then you should see a psychiatrist at once!
Imagine the story of Abraham and Isaac. What if that happened today? Abraham would be taken away and placed in a mental institution as a danger to society - and rightly so.
Ants shouldn't get migraines trying 2 figure out w/the Elephants' thinkin'I would not because I refuse to obey evil and God is either for me or he is against me. I trust God enough to reject something that does not sit right with me. if he loves me then we will come to an understanding. the integrity of my own self matters too much to blindly follow orders. I think God could appreciate my pov. I think this is my own faith in God in fact (as opposed to someone else's faith that does not matter to me).
if I was abram and God told me to sacrifice my son I would have stood up against him and rebelled.
i'm an existentialist and so to just go by some words in a book is beneath me. I will either worship God in spirit and in truth or I will refuse to worship him at all.
the relationship of the Trinity is absolute. God is absolute. morality bends its knees to the kingdom of heaven as a servant.
If God is not subject to His law why did He send His son to die? All He had to do was to ignore His own law.God is not subject to His laws, so if He were to have someone killed it would not be wrong. In other words, there is no ethical standard to which God is required to submit except the standards that He imposes on Himself. God is the standard of ethics.
Since we are all sinners, and we all deserve death, God commanding someone to die would not be a problem.
Obviously, God commanding someone to kill is very hypothetical, and would require much proof, as this is not His normal method. When God is ready for us to die He has other means at His disposal.
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