It's nice to think we were protecting the innocents, but I don't think we were. I think everyone was protecting political interests. After all, we did drop two bombs on innocent people. I wouldn't call that righteous.
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I thought it was one of the 10 commandments, but there were other laws with war. Is it evil if they kill people to protect the innocent ones in a war like WWII?
I ve been in the same situation when I was wondering streets at night and I couldnt even pary to God to protect me. I dont know how payer works some people say you got to wait to get answer from God.
Okay, but it doesn't offer the statement I asked for. What others have told me here is that God is free to violate His commandments, and if He asks me to, I am compelled to do so.
Is there some assurance that God would not ask me to do that here?
Yes but they did liberate Europe and the people in concentration camps. I think it would be bad if they hadn't done anything, but I don't know. I would never kill someone. They asked Corrie ten Boom to kill a nazi but she said she was a christian and couldn't kill someone for that reason.It's nice to think we were protecting the innocents, but I don't think we were. I think everyone was protecting political interests. After all, we did drop two bombs on innocent people. I wouldn't call that righteous.
It's nice to think we were protecting the innocents, but I don't think we were. I think everyone was protecting political interests. After all, we did drop two bombs on innocent people. I wouldn't call that righteous.
Genocide isn't just about ethnicity. It is killing a group of people based on some identity. Religion, for instance. That they were commanded to kill the Canaanites makes it genocide. The reason they were killed is irrelevant.
Was it? Where was Moses condemned for it?
So, how do you condemn ISIS if they believe God has commanded them to destroy non-believers or infidels? You would do the same if you believed God asked it of you.
What we see when God was establishing the nation of Israel is quite different than what we see in the NT. Many things that God did and told people to do are relevant, even prophetic in substance.God commanded Abraham to kill Isaac. God commanded Moses to murder. God commanded the Israelites to commit genocide. God would not command murder or genocide again?
Canaanites were not targeted because they were Canaanites, nor were they targeted with the aim of killing all Canaanites.
I might be wrong, it might be that Moses was justified in coming to the defense of another and needed to kill in order to save their life. Or it could be that he was wrong and was penalized.
I believe that ISIS is wrong about God commanding them to kill infidels. I believe that God is just and if He kills someone or commands it, then it is because they have done something that justifies His action, not because they aren't followers of Him. At no point in the Bible does God command the death of others simply because they aren't His followers.
What we see when God was establishing the nation of Israel is quite different than what we see in the NT. Many things that God did and told people to do are relevant, even prophetic in substance.
Abraham being willing to sacrifice his own son and his son was willingly obedient to his father and the replacement of the ram for a sacrificial blood offering. They are all prophetic, an image of future events. So they had more than one purpose in God's plan.
God did not tell Moses to murder anyone that I know of. The three thousand who lost their lives at Mt Sinai were judged by God as idolators and their sentence of death was carried out by those who were not idolators. But in the NT we don't see any teachings that say we are to kill someone for idolatry. In fact, on the day of Pentecost rather than people dying 3,000 people were saved.
God commanded the Israelites to claim the land of Canaan and how to go about it. God knowing all things knew the hearts of the Canaanites. When God told them to destroy the Amalekites they didn't and the Amalekites would continue in their generations to harm the people of the nation of Israel. We don't see God commanding these types of things in the NT dispensation that we are living in. God is among all the nations now, not just the nation of Israel.
What makes your call infallible?
And what makes your judgment of "righteousness" any more logically credible than Dylan Roof's?
But we're agreed that God commanded the Israelites to kill the Canaanites? Not only the Canaanites themselves to be killed, but "[every]thing that breathes" were to be "completely destroyed". Livestock, children, crops...
It doesn't say, does it?
But ours is not to ask why God wants people killed, is it? Maybe because they're infidels, maybe because they're ugly, maybe because it's Tuesday. God does not answer to us.
So how can you say ISIS is wrong?
Abraham was not mentally ill.Are you suggesting that Abraham was mentally ill?
God can lie?
Suppose it is not one man, but a group of men? A country?
I don't understand why we would require proof that God is commanding someone to commit homicide, but in other cases where we speak to God we take for granted that it really is God.
Then who are we to condemn the actions of ISIS when they commit homicide or genocide because they believe that God has told them to do so, while we freely admit that in the same position we would do the same?
How can we condemn James Holmes (the movie theater shooter), or Dylann Roof (South Carolina shooter) for killing people? God could very well have commanded them to do it, and could command one of us to do it.
The Canaanites?
When Moses killed an Egyptian it was against the law, and Moses knew it. He fled.
So if God commands to me to commit murder I should do it?
We are under the new covenant. Christ taught that we should love one another. Christians do not kill others.
Being under the New Covenant has no relevance to this issue because God didn't change. The NT is just as much about love and judgement as the OT.
You have no clue what you are talking about. In the Old Covenant the Jews were the chosen people and it was necessary that they kill others in wars for their nation. As Christians we are a heavenly kingdom and God never requires that we kill others. His commandment is that we love others.
We are under the new covenant.
Christ taught that we should love one another.
Christians do not kill others.
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