That is in OT, where God commanded Jews, and those commandments are to a specific people at that time (i.e. the Ameleks)
After Jesus came, God has give us clear commands and are no longer interference with us directly.
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If God commanded you to kill someone, would you do it?
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That is in OT, where God commanded Jews, and those commandments are to a specific people at that time (i.e. the Ameleks)
After Jesus came, God has give us clear commands and are no longer interference with us directly.
I spent 26 years in the military being resigned to killing if even a mere man ordered me to do it.
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Sure, it's relevant. Most of the killing that's been done in this world has been because a man ordered it. Have you heard this old joke:
An obviously extremely wealthy man asks a woman if she would have sex with her for a million dollars. She says, "Well, yes." He asks if she'd have sex with him for five dollars. She says, "Certainly not! What do you think I am? A prostitute?" The man says, "We've already established that--now we're just haggling over the price."
Very few people on this forum are absolute pacifists. Almost all can rationalize homicide for various man-made reasons. If anyone can rationalize homicide for any man-made reason, then he's morally fooling himself if he can't rationalize it based on a indisputable command from God.
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No, the Israelites of the Old Covenant were still to love their neighbors and treat strangers, foreigners, and immigrants with care and compassion, just as Jesus commanded and augmented the Love Ethic for Christians under the New Covenant.
The difference is that the O.T. Israelites also were a nation and were subject to God's requirements for holiness on a political scale and not just on a personal scale; in the O.T. the surroundings nations who proved to be spiritually, culturally, and politically antagonistic rather than friendly and submissive to Israel got to feel the brunt of God's displeasure over their ongoing and egregious sins. Moreover, Israel itself was subject many times to God's displeasure over their own sins--they got displaced as well--or have you forgotten? In fact, even in the N.T., Christians are subject to God's punitive measures personally if they keep sinning--do we then ask if God still loves us? No, of course He does. But as Paul explained, we get punished now so that we can avoid Hellfire later.
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Sketcher
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If God told me to kill someone, I would do it. Based on the instructions he gave to all Christians in the New Testament, he won't. The church has different marching orders. Otherwise, those who practiced sorcery in the book of Acts would have been killed rather than preached to, and Peter, John, and Paul would have put hits out on the false teachers they complained so much about. Those are the sorts of people who would have been killed in Old Testament times, but the church, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, let them live.
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oi_antz
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Lol - yeah just when you thought you couldn't do it hehe
This is the distinction: I could not kill someone due to a perceived divine instruction, but if God requires me to do it, I expect He can bring me to the necessary belief by manipulation. ISIS is an example of this attitude being developed in me, whether or not by God's action. Welcome to CF, I hope you can make a useful impact
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Why would it take "manipulation" rather than rationale? If God showed you a glimpse of the path to the future, would that make a difference to you?
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oi_antz
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I don't know TBH, but I do have an example of where I have chosen recently to not act in order to achieve what I thought to be a vision for a better future, after consideration over several weeks. An opposing "rationale" convinced me that it wasn't ultimately the best thing to do.
All I know is what I can and can't do in my present frame of mind, and that my frame of mind can be changed by life's events. I suppose it could happen if I was prepared mentally for it (which is what I mean by "manipulation").
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This is the distinction: I could not kill someone due to a perceived divine instruction, but if God requires me to do it, I expect He can bring me to the necessary belief by manipulation. ISIS is an example of this attitude being developed in me, whether or not by God's action. Welcome to CF, I hope you can make a useful impact
Exactly nice put - I agree
And thanks for the warm welcome! ^__^
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