If God asked you to kill someone from another group, would you?

aiki · Mar 8, 2017

Blade said:
You really believe GOD can go and KILL children?

Doesn't God "kill" every one of us? Does He not give us a temporal existence that He brings to an end when it suits Him to do so? Is this not His divine prerogative? What is so awful about God taking any life - however young - that He has created? He has carte blanche to do exactly as He pleases with what He has made. He is GOD.

Selah.

Roseonathorn · Mar 8, 2017

I think this thread is quite destructive, I´ll try to focus on life instead of past memories. Remember though God can heal a broken heart and a frightened soul and a person filled with anger and confusion.

aiki · Mar 8, 2017

Gordon Southgate said:
If he told you to go worship Satan would you do that?

This is like asking, "If a cube was a sphere would you call it a cube?" Well, of course not. By definition, a cube cannot be a sphere. If a cube was a sphere, it wouldn't be a cube. Obviously. A cube's fundamental nature precludes us from interacting with it as a sphere. Likewise, by definition, a holy, righteous God is not evil and thus cannot command us to act evilly. It's just not in His nature. Being a "cube," He cannot function as a "sphere." The question you pose, though, seems to imply that He can.

Selah.

Roseonathorn · Mar 8, 2017

Sorry people, I have trouble sleeping now in this part of the world because of this thread. Before we said parents remember never send Your kids to friends where the kids friends parents are witches. Because Your kids might be trophies in their rites. Are people nowadays to be afraid to send their kids to christians.

dcalling · Mar 8, 2017

Even in OT God asked to kill for good reasons generations in advance (so God will never randomly ask to kill, see 10 commandments and how David treated Saul even when Saul is trying to kill him).

So if somehow someone tell you to kill someone for God, it is guaranteed to be from devil.

CrystalDragon said:
(Feel free to move this if it should be in Ethics and Morality instead.)

Now before you say "God would never do that!" keep in mind that in the Old Testament, there were several times where God commanded entire cities to be destroyed and killed, including the infants. And disobedient children were sometimes stoned to death due to not following the Fourth Commandment (at least of the group commonly called the Ten Commandments. So as much as we may try to ignore it, if we go by the Bible there was a time when God commanded those things.

So even if you say God wouldn't do that now, it's clear he did at one point (and thus he could again since he's the same through time, right?). So, would you be willing to draw a heavy metal sword down upon the tiny body of an infant newborn if God commanded it? Even disregarding modern times, say if you lived in that time period and God asked you to do that, or stone disobedient children in your family or group. Would you do it?

LinkH · Mar 8, 2017

There is a difference between killing/murdering and slayying. Murder is slaying, but not all slaying is murdering.

If you read the Old testament carefully, slaying the enemy in warfare is not murder. Neither is executing a just capital punishment.

God was just in ordering that the inhabitants of certain cities be slain.

S.O.J.I.A. · Mar 8, 2017

God ordered the people of Israel to slay rebel nations because of their sin. we are no longer instructed to do such a thing.

we also don't stone homosexuals and fornicators.

Grandpa2390 · Mar 8, 2017

God wouldn't tell me to kill someone from another group.
but if you are asking how obedient I am to God, then yes. But thankfully, I will never have to since God would never make that demand.

NothingIsImpossible · Mar 9, 2017

Thinking about this maybe the real question should be if a man approached you and said God told him to kill you, what would you say?

Gordon Southgate · Mar 9, 2017

aiki said:
This is like asking, "If a cube was a sphere would you call it a cube?" Well, of course not. By definition, a cube cannot be a sphere. If a cube was a sphere, it wouldn't be a cube. Obviously. A cube's fundamental nature precludes us from interacting with it as a sphere. Likewise, by definition, a holy, righteous God is not evil and thus cannot command us to act evilly. It's just not in His nature. Being a "cube," He cannot function as a "sphere." The question you pose, though, seems to imply that He can.

Selah.

On that basis would God ask you to kill someone?

aiki · Mar 9, 2017

NothingIsImpossible said:
Thinking about this maybe the real question should be if a man approached you and said God told him to kill you, what would you say?

I wouldn't say anything. I'd just belt him in the mouth as hard as I could.

Selah.

aiki · Mar 9, 2017

Gordon Southgate said:
On that basis would God ask you to kill someone?

Do you think God commanding us to worship Satan is morally equivalent to Him asking us to kill someone? If so, how do square this with what God asked of Abraham concerning the sacrifice of his son Isaac?

Selah.

RDKirk · Mar 9, 2017

aiki said:
Do you think God commanding us to worship Satan is morally equivalent to Him asking us to kill someone? If so, how do square this with what God asked of Abraham concerning the sacrifice of his son Isaac?

Selah.

According to the writer of Hebrews, Abraham believed all along that God would pull a rabbit out of His hat, because God had previously assured Abraham that He would bring a nation out of Isaac and nobody else but Isaac.

Gordon Southgate · Mar 10, 2017

aiki said:
Do you think God commanding us to worship Satan is morally equivalent to Him asking us to kill someone? If so, how do square this with what God asked of Abraham concerning the sacrifice of his son Isaac?

Selah.

My statement about worshiping Satan was facetious not meant to be taken literally just hyperbole to exaggerate and challenge to the question would God order you to kill. You mention God asking Abraham to sacrifice his son. Now you know in the end Abraham didn't, why?

IAMABELIEVER1979 · Mar 10, 2017

God did those things, in my opinion, because the children were probably going to grow up and do evil. They were probably going to lead the children of God astray.

Since God gives us the desires to obey him and he lives his life through his followers, my guess is yes they would. There would be a reason why he would tell them to do that. For example, that person could grow up to be an Axe Murderer. Or he can try to lead his people astray. We may see little babies as innocent human beings but God sees the future. So there was probably a good reason why he told the children of Israel to kill men, women, and children.

But my opinions are not gospel. I'm still just learning and I could be completely wrong. I just don't ever want to question God, which I do sometimes. But I am learning not to.

Roseonathorn · Mar 10, 2017

Well if God created these little babies in their mothers womb and they turn out to be satanist Priest with a high education, who are we then to take their lives. God creates, God spares a life, God sends back someone that is not ready for heaven Yet. We can pray for the satanists, not kill. God has a plan for them too, another plan than the devil has. God does not want anyone to burn in hell, He wants everyone to worship Him and to do good, not evil, to be life, not death, to be light in this world and to show His love and forgiveness and to be protected under His own blood. The blood of Jesus may protect You. Maybe we christians should learn christian defense, it is not physical, but one day we will either be with God in heaven or in an eternal fire. Do not be led astray by thoughts or any curse or demon that claims to be God and tells You to kill. Ask God for forgiveness and turn away from Your sins, that includes porn, ask Gods Spirit to enter Your Spirit soul and body, read Your bible, the new testament. Love Your neighbor as Yourself. Life is hard so stay close to God and sometimes asking for help makes You grow, depends on where You ask. There are Good pain and bad pain and we need to learn the difference. After all is said and done we could make mistakes in life. Some can´t be undone.

Norbert L · Mar 10, 2017

CrystalDragon said:
(Feel free to move this if it should be in Ethics and Morality instead.)

Now before you say "God would never do that!" keep in mind that in the Old Testament, there were several times where God commanded entire cities to be destroyed and killed, including the infants. And disobedient children were sometimes stoned to death due to not following the Fourth Commandment (at least of the group commonly called the Ten Commandments. So as much as we may try to ignore it, if we go by the Bible there was a time when God commanded those things.

So even if you say God wouldn't do that now, it's clear he did at one point (and thus he could again since he's the same through time, right?). So, would you be willing to draw a heavy metal sword down upon the tiny body of an infant newborn if God commanded it? Even disregarding modern times, say if you lived in that time period and God asked you to do that, or stone disobedient children in your family or group. Would you do it?

Here's another reason why your hypothetical about 'keeping in mind that in the Old Testament, there were several times where God commanded entire cities to be destroyed and killed, including the infants.' does not reflect the will of God according to the scriptures.

God did not ask Peter to kill Ananias, with Sapphira his wife. You can read of another instance/witness of God executing the death penalty on another person in Acts 12:23. God is fully capable of passing capital punishment on His own.

Why should Christians believe that God could privately need one of them to kill someone else because of their sins? Remember it is clear that God can punish and execute people without any need of a Christian.

aiki · Mar 10, 2017

Gordon Southgate said:
My statement about worshiping Satan was facetious not meant to be taken literally just hyperbole to exaggerate and challenge to the question would God order you to kill. You mention God asking Abraham to sacrifice his son. Now you know in the end Abraham didn't, why?

Ah. You were being facetious. I see. Well, I don't think that being commanded by God to worship Satan is an appropriate exaggeration of a divine command to kill. As Scripture reveals, God can command His own to kill other people without violating His holy, righteous nature, but God couldn't, I think, issue a command to worship Satan without fundamentally contradicting who He is.

In any case, I understand why Abraham was willing to go through with sacrificing his son as God had commanded. I don't think, though, that many - if any - believers would even consider doing such a thing today. As this thread illustrates, the thinking of many is that God is a "tame lion," a predictable, ever-gentle, loving Creator who wouldn't harm a fly. Of course, this isn't the God revealed to us in the Bible, but this seems to be rather beside the point for a lot of folk these days.

Selah.

SolomonVII · Mar 10, 2017

I don't think the original reason that people have problems with a Divine order to kill is because they found God issuing such an order in itself problematic. The bigger problem is that there have been vast swaths of people killing on the assumption that they are under such an order themselves.
While unjustly killing in the name of Justice warps the faith, the modern problem now is that the face of God is bereft of all fierceness.
In a world such as our own, such a vision of God is simply not credible.
It is a useless vision of God, like bringing a teddy bear to a knife fight.

Joshua1987 · Mar 10, 2017

Satan likes to use people to rile up the Lord's true followers with inane questions like this.

If you actually had the HOLY SPIRIT in you...He would already settle this matter in your heart and mind.

You'd already know the ins and outs of WHY God did what He did in the Old Testament.

Pagan nations who did immoral practices were despised by the Lord.

What the Israelites were commanded to do to said nations is no different then what the Lord did when He flooded the earth and destroyed the WICKEDNESS therein as well.

Is The God of Isael on trial here?

How corny.

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