If Evolution were true...

[rjc34]

Well, I guess the answer to that question is because they are fools rejecting the only means to help them avoid hell.

Ah, the old tactic of threatening them with hell (in a passive aggressive way of course) in a vain attempt to convert a non-believer.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Nothing... that's the whole point. God has made it so that ANYONE can know Him.... even YOU Frenchy. (I like that name)

Even I can know him?

 

[rjc34]

I thought you were a Christian

Christian =/= Creationist. I know the majority of Christians in the world are sensible, science accepting and reasonable individuals, who see no reason to deny reality just to justify their own interpretation of scripture. While you may be a majority around where you live, you're certainly not one in the world as a whole, or even Christianity as a whole.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Well, I guess the answer to that question is because they are fools rejecting the only means to help them avoid hell.

Hell? How hard is it to avoid a figment of someone else's imagination?

 

[Nathan Poe]

No, that never occurred to me.

Not surprised.

I can't understand how children can be so insufferably obnoxious as to so cruelly murder them. Nor can I understand why anyone would boil someone in oil or throw them to the lions and then sit around and watch while they are being savagely attacked.

And that has what to do with you?

It's obvious that you can justify this. Maybe you could tell me how you could think this is justified, NP, regardless of who it is.

It's not you -- so whenever you or any other modern Christian make any claim or allusion to being "persecuted," I'll be sure to remind you that you actually have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about, having never experienced anything remotely worthy of the term.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I believe in Jesus and what He says and yes, that's the best I've got. It doesn't get any better.

And I wish you well with it -- but do try to understand that it accomplishes absolutely squat when dealing with people who actually study physical and life sciences.

What do you wish that I should take your attitude and side and pass that along? I'm afraid I would end up as empty and sad as "some" people in this forum and I certaily wouldn't WANT to pass that along.

No, I'd rather take Jesus at His word.

Whatever gives you the warm fuzzies -- gotta work better than the truth.

 

[rjc34]

And I wish you well with it -- but do try to understand that it accomplishes absolutely squat when dealing with people who actually study physical and life sciences.

I had so much home for her at the beginning of the thread... it was going so well! And then, well, it just kind of blew up in my face, and now she's preaching left and right, and flying farther and farther away. She even went full godmind mode a couple dozen posts back.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you claiming to know who the anonymous author of the one of the Gospels is?

Which one?

• Matthew / Levi
• John Mark
• Dr. Luke
• John Boanerges

 

[Insane_Duck]

I believe in Jesus and what He says and yes, that's the best I've got. It doesn't get any better.

What do you wish that I should take your attitude and side and pass that along? I'm afraid I would end up as empty and sad as "some" people in this forum and I certaily wouldn't WANT to pass that along.

No, I'd rather take Jesus at His word.

I believe in Allah and what He says and yes, that's the best I've got. It doesn't get any better.

What do you wish that I should take your attitude and side and pass that along? I'm afraid I would end up as empty and sad as "some" people in this forum and I certainly wouldn't WANT to pass that along.

No, I'd rather take Muhammad (peace be upon him) at His word.

 

[rjc34]

Which one?

• Matthew / Levi
• John Mark
• Dr. Luke
• John Boanerges

Actually, looking at the consensus among even Christian scholars, we come up with:

• Anonymous
• Anonymous
• Anonymous
• Anonymous

 

[Inan3]

I take it this includes the over 1.5 million Christians in prison in the US.

Please read this:
According to the (BJS) Bureau of Justice Statistics 7,225,800 people at year end 2009 were either in jail or prison or were on probation, — about 3.1% of adults in the U.S. resident population.2,292,133 were incarcerated in U.S. prisons and jails at year end 2009.

Given that 80% of people in the US profess to being Christians that would tell us that 1,650,000 million Christians are in Prison, let's say that half of those who say they are Christians are not really Christians, that still leaves at least 800,000 HEALTHY & HAPPY God fearing Christians behind bars.

I honestly wish I had a dream world I could pop into whenever the need arose, I envy you.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!! Give us a break with your "figuring" the facts. Let's say those 2,292,000 all came out of the 20%. Or let's say we add 1% Christians and split that in half for not real christians. You can figure it however you want. You know the old addage "figures don't lie but liars figure." Not saying you are lying but you don't have enough info to make those assumptions.

 

[Inan3]

I believe in Allah and what He says and yes, that's the best I've got. It doesn't get any better.

What do you wish that I should take your attitude and side and pass that along? I'm afraid I would end up as empty and sad as "some" people in this forum and I certainly wouldn't WANT to pass that along.

No, I'd rather take Muhammad (peace be upon him) at His word.

So original, Crazy (eyes roll). At least I answered honestly.

 

[Inan3]

And I wish you well with it -- but do try to understand that it accomplishes absolutely squat when dealing with people who actually study physical and life sciences.

Well, that's good for those people but what about you, NP?

Whatever gives you the warm fuzzies -- gotta work better than the truth.

Nothing works better than THE truth, NP.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Nothing works better than THE truth, NP.

Which is why Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in the world. You should convert sometime.

 

[Insane_Duck]

So original, Crazy (eyes roll). At least I answered honestly.

Can fudie rhetoric (of any religion) really be original? It's all equally unintelligent.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Whoa, whoa, whoa!! Give us a break with your "figuring" the facts. Let's say those 2,292,000 all came out of the 20%. Or let's say we add 1% Christians and split that in half for not real christians. You can figure it however you want. You know the old addage "figures don't lie but liars figure." Not saying you are lying but you don't have enough info to make those assumptions.

 

[Tiberius]

Which one?

• Matthew / Levi
• John Mark
• Dr. Luke
• John Boanerges

I always thought that Mark and Luke were the same. One was just the name of the actor, the other of the character he played.

Oh, wait, that was Star Wars...

 

[Nathan Poe]

Well, that's good for those people but what about you, NP?

What I've learned of physical and life sciences -- both on and off this board -- has confirmed that creationism is nothing but mythology used as a tool of social control.

Nothing works better than THE truth, NP.

Indeed -- and THE truth doesn't give a rodent's posterior how you feel or who/what you believe in. It is what it is.

If you're not interested in discovering it, the least you can do is stay out of the way of those who are.

 

[SignOfGod]

Whoa, whoa, whoa!! Give us a break with your "figuring" the facts. Let's say those 2,292,000 all came out of the 20%. Or let's say we add 1% Christians and split that in half for not real christians. You can figure it however you want. You know the old addage "figures don't lie but liars figure." Not saying you are lying but you don't have enough info to make those assumptions.

It's pretty obvious that you only believe what you want to believe.

What percentage of Americans would you say were Christians, 5% 10% 25% 50% 80%? looking at all of the bumper stickers, bill boards, faith healers, radio and TV shows around it must be a fair few don't you think? the US is said to be a God fearing country. [some might even say scared stiff]

 

[Greg1234]

No. No no no no no. Stop. Do not ever equate my (and sciences) search for how the universe works with your need to believe the mythology you were raised on.

Everyone searches for how the universe works. Thus can be done without believing that all phenomena has a future purely naturalistic cause (which is myth).

There is nothing I 'want' to believe. Perhaps I 'want' to believe in some sort of all-loving deity that grants wishes (prayer), and has a paradise prepared for me after this life, but I don't believe in wishful thinking.

It's not that you have to want it but we have a situation here where the mind follows on an incline towards matter. Mind is substance (like any other) and through such it follows basic laws of attraction, repulsion, affinity. The material mind in a material world needs as much effort to bond with matter as a wheel at the top of a steep incline needs someone to tell it where to go. Will is not required, only the weakening of will, the weakening of the block, to which one becomes a slave to momentum and gravity. It's almost instinctual (2 Peter: 10-22).

Now we have excuses excuses. "Oh how difficult it is to be a materialist." "Oh I am such a big boy in materialism." Illusions. Btw, Im sure I can find some parts of reality which grant some kind if benefit, deny it so as to place myself in an irrelevant state of deficiency, then say that it is wishful thinking because of the benefits. Also, man was created as man.

My search for truth and reality is evidence, reason and logic based.

"Reality" is already naturalism, "search for truth" dictated by such (see methodological naturalism). By the by "reason" doesnt follow the idea that chance and necessity can take bacteria to men.

You can't name a single thing I believe that isn't supported by evidence, reason and logic.

That one day everything will be shown to have a purely naturalistic cause
Microbe to man phenomena
The belief that you have no beliefs.
To name a few... (Harry potter authors, men recording things they didn't understand, the adventures of Homo erectus, are honorable mentions).