If Evolution were true...

[Split Rock]

Do you really think God is?

No, I do not. The god that you guys believe in, however, is clearly a deceiver.

Is that a problem? would you know what someone did, if you read his diary?

Show me God's diary. Is it the one entitled "The Gospel According to Mark?" Or the one entitled, "Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians?"

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

I thought you were a Christian

All Christians are not creationists.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Well, I guess the answer to that question is because they are fools rejecting the only means to help them avoid hell.

Islam?

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Islam?

At least Islam gives you the incentive of 72 virgins!

 

[AV1611VET]

They wrote down hearsay that they clearly believed, no one ever claimed they made it up on the spot.

Why? because they felt like being martyred?

 

[AV1611VET]

... you are one sick individual and a credit to creationism.

-- Awww, you're just saying that.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Why? because they felt like being martyred?

People die for what they believe to be true all the time. This is news to you?

 

[AV1611VET]

On the basis of our previous discussions, I was not aware of how early you developed this theory.

I developed what theory? embedded age?

Are you testing me?

When I was asked if anyone else believed embedded age, did you ever read my answer?

I gave four sources for my answer: the Bible, my pastor, a line from Wikipedia, and Adam Clarke.

 

[OllieFranz]

I developed what theory? embedded age?

Are you testing me?

When I was asked if anyone else believed embedded age, did you ever read my answer?

No.

I was not following the C&E board at that time.

 

[AV1611VET]

People die for what they believe to be true all the time. This is news to you?

But people do not die for something they know is false -- is this news to you?

I'll tell you what -- just for the fun of it, go over to Iraq and write THE GOSPEL OF MOHAMMAD, ACCORDING TO FRENCHY, and do two things:

1. Make stuff up that clearly isn't true -- like adding prophecy fulfillment after the fact.
2. Make Mohammad out to be Allah.

Let me give you a piece of advice, if you're ... inspired enough to try that:

Save your money, and buy a one-way ticket; you won't be needing the return flight.

 

[AV1611VET]

No.

I was not following the C&E board at that time.

That's no excuse to ask me such a lame question -- but it's certainly your prerogative; I've certainly been asked worse questions.

For the record, I did not develop this theory.

Did you develop the theory of evolution?

 

[Insane_Duck]

But people do not die for something they know is false -- is this news to you?

I'll tell you what -- just for the fun of it, go over to Iraq and write THE GOSPEL OF MOHAMMAD, ACCORDING TO FRENCHY, and do two things:

1. Make stuff up that clearly isn't true -- like adding prophecy fulfillment after the fact.
2. Make Mohammad out to be Allah.

Let me give you a piece of advice, if you're ... inspired enough to try that:

Save your money, and buy a one-way ticket; you won't be needing the return flight.

The bible writers just transcribed oral tradition, they more likely believed it.

 

[Skaloop]

But people do not die for something they know is false -- is this news to you?

No, but they do die for something they think is true.

 

[OllieFranz]

That's no excuse to ask me such a lame question -- but it's certainly your prerogative; I've certainly been asked worse questions.

For the record, I did not develop this theory.

Did you develop the theory of evolution?

I see. You take issue with the word "develop.' I apologize for inadvertently giving you too much credit, and politely ask you to substitute the word "accept."

 

[AV1611VET]

The bible writers just transcribed oral tradition, they more likely believed it.

Fair enough -- go over there and transcribe oral tradition.

While you're there in Iraq, write stuff that would infuriate the Iraqi, if it was just oral tradition; like the Gospel writers did by writing about Romans doing things they didn't do -- like Pontius Pilate trying Jesus, a Roman soldier piercing Jesus' side, and Roman guards placed at Jesus' tomb, only to have it empty, with the soldiers scratching their heads.

Don't come back now -- unless you're crucified upside-down first, like Peter was.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, but they do die for something they think is true.

And thus my point -- the Gospel writers thought it was true.

Why? because they were there.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Fair enough -- go over there and transcribe oral tradition.

While you're there in Iraq, write stuff that would infuriate the Iraqi, if it was just oral tradition; like the Gospel writers did by writing about Romans doing things they didn't do -- like Pontius Pilate trying Jesus, a Roman soldier piercing Jesus' side, and Roman guards placed at Jesus' tomb, only to have it empty, with the soldiers scratching their heads.

Don't come back now -- unless you're crucified upside-down first, like Peter was.

Only if it was something I was raised in and fervently believe.

 

[AV1611VET]

I see. You take issue with the word "develop.' I apologize for inadvertently giving you too much credit, and politely ask you to substitute the word "accept."

Sure thing -- now your remark doesn't make sense:

On the basis of our previous discussions, I was not aware of how early you accept this theory.

And for the record, it's not a "theory" -- (I've been called out on this) -- a theory implies it was scientific, and the Creation week had nothing to do with science.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

But people do not die for something they know is false -- is this news to you?

I'll tell you what -- just for the fun of it, go over to Iraq and write THE GOSPEL OF MOHAMMAD, ACCORDING TO FRENCHY, and do two things:

1. Make stuff up that clearly isn't true -- like adding prophecy fulfillment after the fact.
2. Make Mohammad out to be Allah.

Let me give you a piece of advice, if you're ... inspired enough to try that:

Save your money, and buy a one-way ticket; you won't be needing the return flight.

How do you know? People believe all kinds of weird things. People do all kinds of things because of their beliefs, in spite of reality. All of this is easily explained by observed human behavior under various circumstances.

You really should try to broaden your scope of understanding.

 

[AV1611VET]

Only if it was something I was raised in and fervently believe.

Like Saul of Tarsus was, when he changed practically overnight from persecutor to persecuted?

2 Corinthians 11:25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
2 Corinthians 11:26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;