If evolution is true...

[ToxicReboMan]

How do we know that humans will not continue evolving? What if in the kingdom of God humans evolve for all eternity?

 

[gluadys]

How do we know that humans will not continue evolving? What if in the kingdom of God humans evolve for all eternity?

Evolution requires reproduction. I have never heard that eternal life includes reproduction. Clearly it would not be needed.

 

[ToxicReboMan]

Evolution requires reproduction. I have never heard that eternal life includes reproduction. Clearly it would not be needed.

Thanks, I agree.

Do we know if humans are still evolving or did we stop evolving already?

 

[Mallon]

We're definitely still evolving. I think we've largely (not entirely) negated the effects of natural selection, and global travel has slowed isolated mechanisms. But so long as allele frequencies continue to flux and we continue to impose selective advantages of our own, we will continue to evolve.

 

[peace4ever]

We're definitely still evolving. I think we've largely (not entirely) negated the effects of natural selection, and global travel has slowed isolated mechanisms. But so long as allele frequencies continue to flux and we continue to impose selective advantages of our own, we will continue to evolve.

More untrue statements that came from being brainwashed without thinking for the following reasons:

1) Natural selection is a myth because the fit and the unfit have always co-existed in every species and always will. The fit breed unfit offspring and the unfit breed fit offspring. And both the fit and the unfit will eventually die.

2) Man is not evolving he is decaying since he is even more confused than previous humans, not less about the following:

1) Confusion over when life begins
2) Confusion over what marriage is
3) Confusion over what each animals and human can breed
4) Confusion over what a human being is
5) Confusion over morality
6) Confusion over what right and wrong is or whether or not right and wrong even exist!
7) Gender identity confusion to the point that people are having operations to change their sex
8) Confusion over which sex they were disigned to be attracted to
9) Confusion over whether pedophilia is right or wrong
10) Confusion over whether promiscuity is right or wrong
11) Confusion over what a mother is killing when she aborts her baby

3) Humans will continue to breed babies with defects, disabilities, and brain malfunction

So instead of blindly believing everything you read in a science book, you need to begin to think for yourself. That entails going outside and observing reality, not worshiping scientists as infallible gods. Only then will you know that your future descendants will be humans who are either functional or non-functional, not a species superior to humans.

 

[Mallon]

1) Natural selection is a myth because the fit and the unfit have always co-existed in every species and always will. The fit breed unfit offspring and the unfit breed fit offspring. And both the fit and the unfit will eventually die.

Fitness is defined with reference to fecundity. That is, fit animals reproduce and unfit animals don't live long enough to reproduce. So as long as there exist animals that die before reproducing, then there exists a fitness gradient upon which natural selection can act. Even creationist organizations like AiG accepts this. Or check out the creation wiki, which describe natural selection as "an observable effect of nature and is considered a verifiable mechanism responsible for biological evolution":
http://creationwiki.org/Natural_selection

2) Man is not evolving he is decaying

Evolution is defined simply as descent with modification. So even if we were only decaying in one direction, that still constitutes descent with modification and, by definition, evolution. Evolution doesn't constitute always getting "better". That's an antiquating way of understanding evolution.

3) Humans will continue to breed babies with defects, disabilities, and brain malfunction

Nothing about evolution implies mutations don't exist. Evolution requires mutation, even though they're often detrimental and reduce fitness.

 

[peace4ever]

Fitness is defined with reference to fecundity. That is, fit animals reproduce and unfit animals don't live long enough to reproduce. So as long as there exist animals that die before reproducing, then there exists a fitness gradient upon which natural selection can act. Even creationist organizations like AiG accepts this. Or check out the creation wiki, which describe natural selection as "an observable effect of nature and is considered a verifiable mechanism responsible for biological evolution":
http://creationwiki.org/Natural_selection


Evolution is defined simply as descent with modification. So even if we were only decaying in one direction, that still constitutes descent with modification and, by definition, evolution. Evolution doesn't constitute always getting "better". That's an antiquating way of understanding evolution.


Nothing about evolution implies mutations don't exist. Evolution requires mutation, even though they're often detrimental and reduce fitness.

That is, fit animals reproduce and unfit animals don't live long enough to reproduce.

Wrong again. Again, you're simply accepting that whatever scientists say is true; that's what's called being brainwashed. Many retarded people, people with genetic defects, etc. live along enough to reproduce and many of them have healthy offspring.

So the lie that evolutionists tell us what led Hitler to wipe out everyone he could with a genetic defect so only the "strong" (the Nazis) will live. History showed how delusional he was because his beliefs were based on a delusion. And sadly, many scientists today have bought into the Darwin delusion as well since they are discarding frozen human embryos with genetic defects. We all know what playing God did under Hitler, but those who want to play God themselves, never learn from history. So the genetic profiling which leads to mass murder is continuing today.

But Jesus says; "The meek will inherit the earth." And that we will. "He who exalts himself will humbled and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

 

[herev]

More untrue statements that came from being brainwashed without thinking for the following reasons:

1) Natural selection is a myth because the fit and the unfit have always co-existed in every species and always will. The fit breed unfit offspring and the unfit breed fit offspring. And both the fit and the unfit will eventually die.

2) Man is not evolving he is decaying since he is even more confused than previous humans, not less about the following:

1) Confusion over when life begins
2) Confusion over what marriage is
3) Confusion over what each animals and human can breed
4) Confusion over what a human being is
5) Confusion over morality
6) Confusion over what right and wrong is or whether or not right and wrong even exist!
7) Gender identity confusion to the point that people are having operations to change their sex
8) Confusion over which sex they were disigned to be attracted to
9) Confusion over whether pedophilia is right or wrong
10) Confusion over whether promiscuity is right or wrong
11) Confusion over what a mother is killing when she aborts her baby

3) Humans will continue to breed babies with defects, disabilities, and brain malfunction

So instead of blindly believing everything you read in a science book, you need to begin to think for yourself. That entails going outside and observing reality, not worshiping scientists as infallible gods. Only then will you know that your future descendants will be humans who are either functional or non-functional, not a species superior to humans.

 

[ToxicReboMan]

We're definitely still evolving. I think we've largely (not entirely) negated the effects of natural selection, and global travel has slowed isolated mechanisms. But so long as allele frequencies continue to flux and we continue to impose selective advantages of our own, we will continue to evolve.

Thank you. Is this the common viewpoint among TEs that humans are still evolving? Assuming we are still evolving...how drastic of changes do you think would actually be possible/plausible?

 

[peace4ever]

How do we know that humans will not continue evolving? What if in the kingdom of God humans evolve for all eternity?

You prove that you have blindly accepted anything that scientist's say without thinking it through or oberving reality.

But that's not your fault because a brainwasher wants his victims to stop thinking and blindly believe that the brainwasher knows better than his victims. And that's what people automatically think about scientists which is why most people never question scientists.

But at least you're asking questions. That's the first sign that a brainwashing victim is learning to think apart from the brainwasher. So all you have to do is look at reality because the truth can only be found in reality, not in the imaginations of men.

So where does reality show that we are evolving?Man is more confused than ever about what a human being is; the differences betwee humans and animals, what marriage is, when life begins, what a pregnant woman is carrying isnde of her, why promoscuity is destructive, and man is closer to annihilating himself than ever before.

So reality shows that man is decaying, not evolving. So the question is; are you going to ignore reality and blindly believe scientists? Or look at reality and have the courage to challenge and question scientists?

 

[Mallon]

Please refrain from calling everyone who disagrees with you "brainwashed", peace4ever. Let's keep things civil.

Wrong again. Again, you're simply accepting that whatever scientists say is true; that's what's called being brainwashed. Many retarded people, people with genetic defects, etc. live along enough to reproduce and many of them have healthy offspring.

Right. And they would be considered "fit" accordingly.
Likewise, many people die before reproducing, due to genetic defects, etc., and they would be considered "unfit".
With natural selection, you don't need to be perfectly adapted to make it through the selection filter. Just "fit enough" to reproduce.

So the lie that evolutionists tell us what led Hitler to wipe out everyone he could with a genetic defect so only the "strong" (the Nazis) will live.

Did you know that Hitler also claimed to be doing the work of God? Read his autobiography.
The point is, Hitler abused the beliefs and teachings of the world in order to justify his sick war on Jews. It makes no more sense to blame evolution for Hitler's actions as it does to blame Christianity.

 

[peace4ever]

Please refrain from calling everyone who disagrees with you "brainwashed", peace4ever. Let's keep things civil.


Right. And they would be considered "fit" accordingly.
Likewise, many people die before reproducing, due to genetic defects, etc., and they would be considered "unfit".
With natural selection, you don't need to be perfectly adapted to make it through the selection filter. Just "fit enough" to reproduce.

Did you know that Hitler also claimed to be doing the work of God? Read his autobiography.
The point is, Hitler abused the beliefs and teachings of the world in order to justify his sick war on Jews. It makes no more sense to blame evolution for Hitler's actions as it does to blame Christianity.

And who has the power to play God and declare who is fit and unfit? That's what led to a man like Hitler coming into power and we all know what that delusion did to the world.

Again, scientists are doing the same thing today. They are throwing our frozen embryos that they have determined are more unfit than others. That's no different than what Hitler because scientists don't call a human embryo a human being any more than the Nazi's called the Jews or people they considered "genetically inferior" to the Nazi's human beings.

Scientists don't understand that the value of a human being cannot be analyzed in a petrie dish. But because people see scientists as infallible gods, then society will let them play God and kill unborn babies and embryos at their heart's desire, just like Hitler did with all people he considered geneteticall "defective." It's nothing more than mass murder. That's one thing the Darwin Delusion has led to; mass murder because one person or group of people claim they're fitter than anyone they say they're fitter than.

So if society doesn't stop worshiping scientists as infallible gods like the Nazi's did with Hitler, then the atrocities that are committed in the name of "science" will never stop.

 

[ToxicReboMan]

You prove that you have blindly accepted anything that scientist's say without thinking it through or oberving reality.

But that's not your fault because a brainwasher wants his victims to stop thinking and blindly believe that the brainwasher knows better than his victims. And it works beautifully.

But at least you're asking questions. That's the first sign that a brainwashing victim is learning to think apart from the brainwasher. So all you have to do is look at reality because the truth can only be found in reality, not in the imaginations of men.

So where does reality show that we are evolving?Man is more confused than ever about what a human being is; the differences betwee humans and animals, what marriage is, when life begins, what a pregnant woman is carrying isnde of her, why promoscuity is destructive, and man is closer to annihilating himself than ever before.

So reality shows that man is decaying, not evolving. So the question is; are you going to ignore reality and blindly believe scientists? Or look at reality and have the courage to challenge and question scientists?

O boy this should be a whopper. I'm a creationist. I just know how to ask questions to increase my perspectives. I think it is good to ask fair questions. The most consistent evolutionists are those who believe humans will either become extinct or evolve into something unrecognizable as human.

 

[ToxicReboMan]

With that said, the sharp rhetoric of yours serves no one. Let's keep things civil please.

 

[peace4ever]

O boy this should be a whopper. I'm a creationist. I just know how to ask questions to increase my perspectives. I think it is good to ask fair questions. The most consistent evolutionists are those who believe humans will either become extinct or evolve into something unrecognizable as human.

That last statement is as imaginary as claiming that aliens will rule the world in the future. But since the whole story of evolution is based on a hypothetical (which is an imaginary scenario) premise, then the conclusion can only be as hypothetical (imaginary)as the premise can. So who knows what happens in the imaginations of evolutionists? But what makes their beliefs, delusional, is that they actually believe they're true!

 

[Mallon]

And who has the power to play God and declare who is fit and unfit?

No one here is condemning people, peace4ever. Fitness is just a term used to biology to distinguish between those individuals that live to reproduce from those that don't. It's an ecological convenience. It is not a passing of judgment, so there's no need to overreact. You can read more about the biological meaning of fitness here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitness_(biology)
There's no mention of murdering embryos.

 

[Mallon]

The most consistent evolutionists are those who believe humans will either become extinct or evolve into something unrecognizable as human.

Technically, we will never be anything other than human because we can never outgrow our ancestry. Just as we will always be vertebrates, amniotes, mammals, and apes, so too will we always be human.

 

[ToxicReboMan]

Technically, we will never be anything other than human because we can never outgrow our ancestry. Just as we will always be vertebrates, amniotes, mammals, and apes, so too will we always be human.

So we evolved into Homo Sapien and then no further evolution past homo sapien? That doesn't sound like how evolution would really play out. Are we still evolving or not? You just said humans are currently evolving. Now you make it sound like humans are not evolving in this post.

 

[Mallon]

So we evolved into Homo Sapien and then no further evolution past homo sapien? That doesn't sound like how evolution would really play out. Are we still evolving or not? You just said humans are currently evolving. Now you make it sound like they are not in this post.

Yes, we are still evolving. No doubt about it. I think your confusion stems from a misunderstanding about how classification works. Look at this cladogram:

Everything between the horse and the cat is a mammal (defined by the "hair" trait near the bottom of the tree). Anything that evolves within this part of the tree will, by definition, be a mammal.
Furthermore, everything between the wolf and the cat is a carnivoran (defined, in part, by the shape of their premolar teeth). Anything that evolves within this more inclusive part of the tree will, by definition, be a carnivoran (AND a mammal).
Still further, everything between the leopard and the cat is a felid (defined, in part, by the ability to retract their claws). Anything that evolves within this even more inclusive part of the tree will, be definition, be a felid (AND a carnivoran AND a mammal).
The same principles apply to human evolution. Anything that evolves within the human lineage will technically remain human. Again, you can never outgrow your ancestry. We may look different, but we'll still be human. Particularly so long as we bear the image of God, which as we discussed, is not a physical characteristic.

 

[ToxicReboMan]

Yes, we are still evolving. No doubt about it. I think your confusion stems from a misunderstanding about how classification works. Look at this cladogram:


Everything between the horse and the cat is a mammal (defined by the "hair" trait near the bottom of the tree). Anything that evolves within this part of the tree will, by definition, be a mammal.
Furthermore, everything between the wolf and the cat is a carnivoran (defined, in part, by the shape of their premolar teeth). Anything that evolves within this more inclusive part of the tree will, by definition, be a carnivoran (AND a mammal).
Still further, everything between the leopard and the cat is a felid (defined, in part, by the ability to retract their claws). Anything that evolves within this even more inclusive part of the tree will, be definition, be a felid (AND a carnivoran AND a mammal).
The same principles apply to human evolution. Anything that evolves within the human lineage will technically remain human. Again, you can never outgrow your ancestry. We may look different, but we'll still be human. Particularly so long as we bear the image of God, which as we discussed, is not a physical characteristic.

Thank you. Is the notion that humans are still evolving prominent among Theistic Evolutionists?