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If evolution is not valid science, somebody should tell the scientists.

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Gwenyfur,

Hovind doesn't pass muster with most Creationist groups never mind people like me. When you evade taxes, pay for a PhD from a basement business and spurt out the crank material he does very few adults take you seriously.
 
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A word of advice. Those sites aren't going to pass muster on here. drdino is just bizarre by the way. I think most of us regulars on here have probably read most if not every page on AIG.

Why is that? There are creation scientists out there. If they aren't convinced that evolution is feasible, why is it not enough for you? Can you honestly say you can prove evolution?

Rom 1:19-20

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse :
KJV

These passages clearly tell us that God has made it clear to everyone that He has created the world. If you believe that God started the big bang, then created through evolution, then think about this.
Death is not spoken of in scripture until sin entered the picture. Scripturally, sin causes death. According to evolution, death causes life. The two don't go together. So, you either believe God, or you don't. Your argument is not with me, or any other young earth creationists, but with God. So take it up with Him if you have a problem with it.
 
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KerrMetric said:
Gwenyfur,

Hovind doesn't pass muster with most Creationist groups never mind people like me. When you evade taxes, pay for a PhD from a basement business and spurt out the crank material he does very few adults take you seriously.
His PhD came from Patriot University *before* it was purchased as a shop/pay/here university and dismantled....

How can you evade taxes when you are tax exempt...He may have been charged, but never convicted

His "crank" material has a stronger foundation than the entire collection of "evidence" for evolution...
I've said it before, I'll say it again...

I'll put my faith in the Living G-d of Israel, and when the time comes I won't be left stammering excuses about believing His word to be "allegorical" or "mythical", I will be able to say Yes, L-rd, Thy words are true!
 
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Sabbatarians have to do with whether or not we translate this part of Genesis literally or not.

i took the liberty of correcting your spelling. it really bugged me *Grin*

it matters because a constantly literal, historical reading of Genesis 1 strongly supports a Sabbatarian position. in fact, the role of the Sabbath in Gen1 is far, far more important than any information about the scientific order you can gain from it.

my big point, is that YECism is a social-religious phenomena, it is not a consistent hermenetical technique or even a school of Biblical interpretation. if it were the two issues: age of the earth, and Sabbath would be as tightly bound in the YECist community as it is in the SDA church which is a consistent hermeneutical community that does take the GEn1 to be very literal .....

my point is that you are YEC and not Sabbatarian which proves that you are not really reading Gen1 literally, but are reading GEn1 as a modern scientific document. the literal label is a red herring.


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Gwenyfur said:
Hovind and Ham don't pass the mustard here because they dont' agree with TE's
Yeah, not so fair of you to accuse TEs of a priori reasoning. I don't see the purpose in comparing theistic evolutionists and young earth creationists in this regard, especially when you have quite flatly accused TEs of "ignoring God's word".

Be prepared for every word you type to be taken out of context, every source to be denounced as "unscientific"
Dismissal of material occurs on an individual basis. I do not believe that many, or even most, TEs are flippant. They cannot afford to be if they are genuinely interested in fields dealing with genetics and evolution, which at heart are very technical.

and every truth... even the word of G-d to be called allegory or fiction or mythical...
I do not know many TEs who explicitly say that Adam and Eve were not real, historical people. Let's remember that "allegory" doesn't necessarily mean "untrue".
 
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Romanseight2005 said:
Why is that? There are creation scientists out there. If they aren't convinced that evolution is feasible, why is it not enough for you? Can you honestly say you can prove evolution?

To be honest, as far as I am concerned they are not scientists. Most of them are not qualified in the areas they talk about or they haven't worked in the area since they were students. They don;t research in the areas and they don't publish in the areas. In other words they are not qualified.

Evolution is an observed fact. The mechanism for the process is what the theory is about. A scientific theory can technically never be proven, be it gravity, quantum chromodynamics or superconductivity.
 
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Wow...it's a fact....

So...then why are chimpanzees and apes still having chimpanzees adn apes...why don't they make another human so we can "observe" and "test" it this time???
Hrmmm????
 
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Gwenyfur,

Hovind doesn't pass muster with most Creationist groups never mind people like me. When you evade taxes, pay for a PhD from a basement business and spurt out the crank material he does very few adults take you seriously.
Prove these accusations! The fact that he is so slandered may mean that he is hitting a nerve.
 
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Gwenyfur said:
His PhD came from Patriot University *before* it was purchased as a shop/pay/here university and dismantled....

It was a joke qualification from a joke school, period.



How can you evade taxes when you are tax exempt...He may have been charged, but never convicted


His "crank" material has a stronger foundation than the entire collection of "evidence" for evolution...

To the 4 year olds he talks to perhaps.
 
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Ok. Lots of labels. To that I can only say that when possible, why should we not take the bible literally. There are many things that obviously must be taken as metaphore or prophecy, but what reason do we have to say that the day was not a day?
 
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livingword26 said:
Ok. Lots of labels. To that I can only say that when possible, why should we not take the bible literally. There are many things that obviously must be taken as metaphore or prophecy, but what reason do we have to say that the day was not a day?

lots of labels
yes theology is a technical field and has it's own technical vocabulary. if you wish to play in someone else's sandbox the least you can do is properly learn their vocabulary so you can communicate with them. why else be there?


you miss the point entirely.
if you took Gen 1 literally you would be SDA or at least Sabbatarian. But YECists are (in general) not. Why?


do you have any idea of the history of biblical hermeneutics?
who is the first consistently literal theologian that justified the "primacy of the literal"? why?

btw.
i am TE yet understand Gen 1 to be using 24 hour days, so what?
 
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Gwenyfur said:
Kerr::

Nice to see you can use the copy/paste function from wikipedia...a source known to be evolutionary biased...

However go to the Patriot University records site and you'll find something interesting adn credible there


I believe AIG used to have a page saying basically the same thing. He got a fake qualification from a correspondence degree mill. End of story. The guy is a loon.

How is Wikipedia evolution biased. You mean non-Creationist biased I think becuase they try to keep junk out.
 
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Kerr::

Nice to see you can use the copy/paste function from wikipedia...a source known to be evolutionary biased...

However go to the Patriot University records site and you'll find something interesting adn credible there

Perhaps if Patriot University (and the fact that I don't put that name in quotes shows how tired I am) actually had a records site, they'd have something credible to offer.
 
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livingword26 said:
Ok. Lots of labels. To that I can only say that when possible, why should we not take the bible literally.
Why is a literal interpretation the watershed and default principle of the interpretative process? Context should be our defining principle of interpretation; it should help to establish whether or not the entire passage in question is literal or not, or what parts of the passage are literal or not. Internal AND external evidences are part of this process. Scientific theories are one type of external evidence that the creation account should be interpreted in one way and not in another. If YECists can appeal to external evidences like the teleological argument, then they should not complain when TEs appeal to their own external evidences like the theory of evolution.
 
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Gwenyfur said:
Amazing that Patriot, at the time Hovind recieved his degree was housed inside of Colorado Bible College...

amazing....

What a school:







ROTLF. LOL



Even accredited Bible colleges aren't usually worth a darn, this place is a joke.
 
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Gwenyfur said:
Not hard to find www.patriotuniversity.com
guess you really are tired if ya can't find that...

I did find it. It tells you nothing. the fact they are uncredited and basically unknown speaks volumes.
 
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