Perhaps, but not the evidence for creationism.
Well Dannager it all depends with what mind set you look at things. Neither Creation nor Evolution in the "macro sense are provable for vboyth happened beyond the realms of testing according ot eh scientific method. It all boils down to who do you wish to beleive? The Scriptures (which if you read the YEC materials you would see a scientific basis for what we see in Scripture) or men who were unbeleivers and attempted to prove something with failed, flawed and assumptive methodologies
Dannager writes:
Science cannot say that creationism isn't true or that it is true - only that it isn't science.
They have concluded "absolutely" that they have totally disprove biblical creation, God had no part in the course of things (as shernren said). So they have stated their position.
Nothing to back it up except its own theory? How about taking a look at
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/,
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html and
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/ before saying that evolutionary theory is supported by the theory itself. Theories are supported by facts. A small sampling of the facts supporting evolutionary theory are contained in those links. I suggest checking into them
But for the umpteenth time-- no one is denying speciation-- what evolution has failed to prove is that from a single life source all diversity has sprung up by random chaotic mutation and natural selection. A close look at their articles on speciation and transitionals showe that these are articles of faith in the religion of evolution and not empirical scientific fact. All these articles are freely laced with such terms as "apparent" "it seems" "could" probably" et al. What has been seen , tested, repeated, reobserved, is that any and all variations that occur, occur within the species or genus and does not create a new genera or family or phyla, or order or kingdom. Evolution declares this occurred, but have still factually proved their very impressive paper theories with the needed evidence.
Shernren writes:
Nope, you said parabolic reading of Genesis 1 and 2 only started in the 1800s. As I have shown parabolic reading of Genesis 1 and 2 started long before then, long before there was "evolution" as any motive, and within the minds of fully Christian thinkers.
Well Shernren if you paid attention when you read my postings you clearly would have seen I was directly referring to theistic evolution and not a paraobolic reading of Genesis.
And not all western believers are stuck with a modernist postEnlightenment understanding of the Bible, thank God.
Yeah they are called liberals and heretics and even worse.
Actually, I am an easterner, a Chinese to be precise, who lives in Malaysia. Folklore and fables are very powerful communicative tools in my culture and I can fully appreciate the deep and powerful level of truth Genesis 1 and 2 would have communicated even as a fable
Well I have been to China twice on mission trips and I know that mythology is bigf there. BUT that doesn't make Genesis a myth, especially that it is the best scientific model to explain what we see on earth. Plus you need to understand the the ancient Hebrews were different from their neighbors, they weren't that big on folklore as a teaching methid till much later on.
Eight-year-old? Seriously. Even I can't fulfill all my criteria here.
Thats because you want a detailed technical reading whilke I was saying I can get an 8 year old to give a basic rudimentary nonscientific summary of evolutionary origins of both the universe and life. Tis you who want to force the minuntae in to vainly try to defeat a valid and real argument.
And YEC articles aren't full of escape clauses either? By your standard of evidential demand, the only thing that should satisfy critics is if you can find them a fossil man with a rib missing.
The big difference is that YEC scientistsa all say this is what "could" have been. They knwo special creation is true, but they are careful to say that all the models are "reasonable hypothesis" that may or may not be true, but seem reasonable. Evolutionists on teh other hand declare evolution as proven as gravity and beyind dispute. They consider it case closed and only debate about the Hows of this irrefutable fact has happened. So your false accusation doesn't fly!!
Sorry, different time. Guess what "futility" meant in contemporary literature.
Well concordance definitions are a good starting point, but when you get into actual grammar and historical and cultural idiomatic usages of the greek and Hebrew then you will change your tune here.
Actually, that's YECism. TEism believes that God can work through science. Most YECism believes that God can't work through science but whenever He intervenes He has to go supernatural and bust up the rules of science. Guess which theory gives God "divine dysfunction", as you so irreverently put it.
God is the author of science!1 Bu tyeah His Word clearly shows He butts in the laws He set up for nature when He feels like it. You know like raising HImself from the dead--there was a natural law followed if ever I saw one, or walkinig on water, or feeding @20,000 folk with 5 loaves and 2 fishes. God is not bound by the laws He put nature under, He created everything then put the l;aws in place to govern the creation.
from this ine post, I realize how little you really do know of YEC teaching.
Why does God have to break laws to intervene? If God wants something done by natural means, what stops Him from using the laws of nature to achieve what He wants?
He could have if He so chose to, but He told us how He did it! and after He did He told everything to reproduce after its own kind- for perpewtuity and guess what?? Every observation has shown that that has been true since it began 6-10K years ago!!! We see variation and some speciation but all that all falls within the bounds set forth in Mendels law.
Mercury writes:
God created the clock and he sustains the clock and he will accomplish his purposes for the clock. As for coming back from time to time, in general TEs focus more on God's continuing activity in creation than YECs. Many YECs insist that creation stopped about 6,000 years ago, while TEs see it continuing into the present, since what nature does describes some of what God is doing.
We say it because God said it and inspired His writers of
scripture to write it down!! He stopped creating and rested after the six days.