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I know the Bible has nothing to say about it, what I am asking is can study discover it?
Evolution is a loaded word and very often all they mean is that an organism is adapting to its environment and that various advantageous and differentiating mutations have been accepted into its genome in a way that qualifies as "speciation". In fact mutation is almost always regressive and harmful and the level of change hypothesised between kinds of creatures is pretty much impossible. But within a species different strains of the same kind of creature may well emerge over time as they adapt to different conditions. So to take the example of dogs and sparrows for instance. There were not 43 different species of sparrow on the ark but there are today. But think of it in a creationist way and you are looking at a genome with a built in capacity to adapt to changing environmental conditions which does so without betraying its basic coding as a special kind of creature. A sparrow does not evolve into a eagle and an ape is distinct from all form of mankind most notably because of its inferior brain.
You can explain the fossil record as a consequence of the flood. Beyond that what needs to be said.
The philosopher Thomas Nagel seems to hold a similiar view, He's an atheist but he disagrees with reductionistic neo-darwinism, and contends that 'mind is not just an afterthought or an accident or an add-on, but a basic aspect of nature.'
I still tend to beleive some sort of evolution, but in the case of man, there seems to be more involved, man is the only animal which speaks. It used to be that anthropologists distinguished man from non-man on the basis of use of tools - but its no longer done on that basis, it now on the basis of language / speech.
I have studied the human body (cellular level), spirit, soul, life and death for over thirty years. The study led me to Jesus (John 1:1-4). It was Jesus who created humans, “Let us make man in our image (spirit) and after our own likeness (body)” as read in the first sentence of Genesis 1:26. Who else in the Trinity do we resemble?
And it was Jesus who created the universe. “The universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago,” said Stephen Hawking, and most scientists agree. It all began with an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense Cosmic Singularity which had to explode the instant it was created. Everything that came into being was therewith created by Jesus, all from the Cosmic Singularity which Jesus created from nothing.
Next (if that is an appropriate term for the actions of God), Jesus created the geology of the earth, with mountains, valleys, seas, oceans, lakes and rivers, all of His own design. What appears to have taken many, many millions of years, Jesus caused to happen in a matter of hours. After the earth’s geology was created, He created a Botanical Singularity with every form of meristematic cell capable of growing into every plant type on earth. Jesus created the geology of the earth and then He created all plant life from the Botanical Singularity which He created from nothing.
It was then that Jesus created the Biological Singularity containing the stem cells, both corporeal and incorporeal, of every creature having life, from the simplest life form to the most complex, each with a controlling, atemporal component (“Particle”) at its functional center. And with that, Jesus personally designed and created all living creatures, every individual species, all created from the Biological Singularity which He created from nothing.
Adam began as a single, bipartite cell, i.e., corporeal and incorporeal, created from the most complex bipartite stem cell in the Biological Singularity, with a Particle at the functional center of both cells. Using the carbohydrates, proteins, fats, vitamins, minerals, fiber, water and nutrients of His creation (the materials of the earth), Jesus caused Adam’s growth process to be completed instantly, cell by cell, creating both a physical body (“Body”) and coexistent spiritual body (“Spirit”). Jesus then blew into Adam’s nostrils filling his lungs for the first time, just like a newborn, with the actual breath of God, and Adam, the first human, became alive.
Yes, I haven't read Mind and Cosmos since I get a bit nervous when non-biologists talk about evolution, but I'm a fan of Thomas Nagel.Philosophy of Mind is a serious field of interest to me. That's where materialism really hits a wall and people start acting weirdly dogmatic about it.
It is hard to say whether or not other animals have forms of speech, though. There are questions about dolphins, for example: Scientists discover dolphins ‘can speak almost like humans’
The fact of the matter is that if other animals have sophisticated forms of communication, it'd be beyond us to make sense of them.
I am a bit skeptical of claims about dolphins being highly intelligent etc, communicating almost like humans. All animals have calls, greeting, distress, matting etc. Thats not quite the same as a language. Even if dolphins have a more complex form of calls, its a very long way from being 'almost like humans' IMO.
Wittgenstein said that 'if a lion could talk, we would not understand him' because we don't inhabit its world.
In regard to their intelligence it turns out that dolphins are not really so special, and that some of the characteristics cited frequently as making them special, are now known to be shared by other animals.
Are Dolphins Dumb?
Day 6 (Genesis 1:24-25, 26, 2:7 ESV):"And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds—livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind."
The text sometimes tells us "let the earth bring forth..." and "...of dust from the ground" so here we can discern that God is using existing "material" that He has already created; however, it is repeatedly made clear: "So God created...", "And God made...", "then the Lord God formed...". Every single time we are given a picture that God was directly involved.
It seems clear that there was a process, but that this process happened within the boundaries of a day and was directly orchestrated by God. The result was fully formed and "complex". This is what the text gives us (whether we read it in English or Hebrew) and it is certainly within God's power to do everything He said He did, the way He said He did it, in the time He said He did it, and in the end He said it was very good.
If you believe evolution is false, what then do you think or believe was the process of creation? Fair enough if you disagree with darwinian evolution, but think some other sort of theistic evolution process was involved, but if you don't agree with
( 7 ) : ” THE GREATEST FALSE TEACHING OF THE CHURCHES ! “
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The standard teaching in the present day churches is that yes, we cannot save ourselves : That the only thing we have is our own free will, to either choose or reject God . Well does the Bible teach that we choose God of our own free will ? JOHN 1 ( 13) : ” Which were born NOT OF THE WILL OF MAN , BUT OF GOD ! ” ROMANS 9 ( 16 ) : ” So then IT IS NOT OF HIM THAT WILLETH , BUT OF GOD . ” JAMES 1 ( 18 ) : ” OF HIS OWN WILL begat he us with the word . ” So according to the Bible : It is NOT OF MAN’S WILL , BUT ONLY GOD’S WILL ! EPHESIANS 1 ( 11 ) : ” Him who works ALL THINGS AFTER the counsel of HIS OWN WILL . ” : ALL THINGS AFTER HIS WILL LEAVES NO PLACE FOR OUR OWN SUPPOSED FREE WILL ! So this teaching that man has his own free will is completely contrary to scripture : It falsely exalts man with power that he in truth does not have. Well you might ask : Why did not God not give man his own free will ? HEBREWS 12 ( 2 ) : ” Looking unto JESUS , THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH ! ” : So CHRIST IS THE SOLE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH ! THERE IS NO ONE BETTER QUALIFIED THAN CHRIST TO TRAIN US : CERTAINLY NOT OURSELVES : SO THIS IS PRECISELY WHY CHRIST DID NOT GIVE US A FREE WILL , BECAUSE ONLY CHRIST CAN DO A PROPER JOB ! Only CHRIST knows what things we need to learn , we do not know these things : so what in the world would we do with a free will if such a thing existed : Answer : We wouldn’t have a clue , which is of course why CHRIST did not give us a free will : WE ARE JUST CLAY IN THE GREAT POTTERS HANDS , and thank God , no one can do a better job then God! PHILIPPIANS 1 ( 6 ) : ” He which began a good work in you will continue it unto the day of CHRIST . ” : He began it , not us , and he will finish it not us ! PHILIPPIANS 2 ( 13 ) : ” For IT IS GOD WHICH WORKETH IN YOU , BOTH TO WILL AND TO DO OF HIS GOOD PLEASURE ” : GOD NOT US ! This is solely the work of God : to say that man has any part in it is falsely exalting man : usurping the work of God and falsely placing it in man’s hands : an obvious blasphemy against God , and it is widely taught in the mainstream churches, and needs to be exposed for the blasphemy that it is ! EPHESIANS 2 ( 8-10 ) : 8 : ” For by grace are you saved through faith, AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is the gift OF GOD ” 9 : ” NOT OF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST ” 10 : ” For we are HIS WORKMANSHIP ” Nothing of ourselves! ROMANS 13 ( 1 ) : ” THERE IS NO POWER BUT GOD ! ” No room here for man to have his own power of free will : No power but God. PSALMS 65 ( 4 ) : ” Blessed is the man whom THOU CHOOSEST AND CAUSEST TO APPROACH UNTO THEE . ” : God chooses his elect , and God causes them to come to him by his call, not us by our own supposed free will : totally unscriptural ! Choosing God would of course be a good thing to do, and if we really did choose God of our own free will we would be at least partially righteous, because choosing God would be a good thing, but such is definitely not the case as the Bible clearly says there are non righteous because we do not have the power to come to God of our own will as CHRIST clearly says in JOHN 6 ( 44 ) : ” No man can come to me unless THE FATHER DRAWS HIM . ” : ONLY THE FATHER CAN DRAW HIM : HE CANNOT COME OF HIS OWN POWER ! STOP BLASPHEMING AND SAYING THAT MAN SAVES HIMSELF BY HIS OWN FREE WILL WORK OF CHOOSING GOD : IT IS TOTALLY AND SOLELY THEActual written history only goes back about 4000 yrs : beyond that it is only unprovable speculation , and the speculation is getting crazier and crazier : like supposed Billions or even Trillions of yrs : with absolutely no proof : basic fairy tales !
any kind of evolutionary theory how then did birds, animals, fish, humans, come into existence. I am asking about how God created these? Can that be found out by science?
Gerald Schroeder - Articles - Evolution
If the fossil record is an accurate description of the flow of life, then the 34 basic body plans that burst into being at the Cambrian, 530 million years ago, Ehatevet you are smoking get me some it must be really good !comprise all of animal life till today. The tree of life which envisioned a gradual progression of phyla from simple forms such as sponges, on to more complex life such as worms and then on to shelled creatures such as mollusks has been replaced by the bush of life in which sponges and worms and mollusks and all the other of the 34 phyla appeared simultaneously. Each of these bush lines then developed (evolved) a myriad of variations, but the variations always remained within the basic body plan.
Setting aside Genesis interpretations, it seems to me that we were deliberately seeded or things were 'pushed forward' sometime in the Cambrian period. Either the blueprints were already 'built in' or new ones were introduced. I don't feel like this happened randomly, there's a sudden explosion of functional, ordered structures which seems to start accelerating.
Cambrian explosion - Wikipedia
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I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing. I should not have used "next" and "then" in my statement. There is no "next" and "then" with God, but it helps to use these terms because humans are limited not only by time, but also by sequence (the sequence of events). God is not limited by either ("Before Abraham came to be, I am," said Jesus). In my booklet Jesus - a Scientist's Perspective I describe each phase of Creation and match it with Genesis. Yes, it all took 6 earth-days.A God capable of such a feat could carry out this act of creation in an accelerated timescale of just 6 days without betraying the patterns of emergence from singularities which you describe.
And it was Jesus who created the universe. “The universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago,” said Stephen Hawking, and most scientists agree. It all began with an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense Cosmic Singularity which had to explode the instant it was created. Everything that came into being was therewith created by Jesus, all from the Cosmic Singularity which Jesus created from nothing.
Next (if that is an appropriate term for the actions of God), Jesus created the geology of the earth, with mountains, valleys, seas, oceans, lakes and rivers, all of His own design. What appears to have taken many, many millions of years, Jesus caused to happen in a matter of hours.
Ah, once Jesus created time, He chose to work within His Creation. Remember, He was both human and divine. He also knew He would be explaining Creation to the writer(s) of Genesis who understood events taking time and occurring in sequence.If you agree with the "15 billion years ago" with the "Big Bang" why would it be necessary for the geology to be confined to hours?
Ah, once Jesus created time, He chose to work within His Creation. Remember, He was both human and divine. He also knew He would be explaining Creation to the writer(s) of Genesis who understood events taking time and occurring in sequence.
Question 1. Space and time were created the instant the Cosmic Singularity exploded, which was the same instant it was created. Question 2. Romans 1:20 has always been a favorite of mine. I have understood it to mean that after looking at God's Creation no one has an excuse not to believe. The math which points to the Cosmic Singularity has led many scientists to a belief in God, for the Cosmic Singularity had to come from nothing, and it did. Tonight I re-read Romans 1:16-23. It seems Paul was indicting the non-Jewish world with his rhetoric. Perhaps I need to speak with a Bible scholar. Nothing in the theory I propose conflicts with the Bible to my knowledge. After all, it led me to Jesus.
The "Bang" occurred the instant the Singularity was created, and Time began that instant. The Universe, as we know it, was therewith created in 24 hours by Jesus (God). Yes, most believe the Universe is still expanding. Regarding your Romans 1:20 comment, Jesus could place a mountain, next week, in the middle of Montana, that is later determined to have been there for 250 million years, and it was! I used the word "determined" this time instead of "appears." God is not limited by Time nor the Sequence of events. Regarding your question relating to "Let the land produce . . ," Jesus designed every plant, tree, leaf etc., and created the means for their growth and spread. Trees grow from a seed, they produce seeds, new trees grow from the seeds, etc. What an amazing Creation and awesome God we have!
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