If creationism is true, then why is it useless?

[joshua 1 9]

color perception is subjective to the cones in an organism's eyes, and how the color spectrum is organized is based on normal human eyes.

I was a theater major in college and I specialized in lighting the stage so I know the additive and subtractive color theories. Color is in the light. On stage we filter the light to get the color we want. We can dress a dancer in white and use filters so that their costume is any color you want it to be. We can change the color of the costume as often as we want with the lights we have to work with.

You talk about color and light in the sky and there are two days in Genesis chapter one that deals with this. You have a good understanding of the sky based on science so IF Moses made a mistake it should be easy for you to point that out. Show us if Moses was in error and if the Bible is not 100% accurate when Moses talks about how God separated light and darkness.

The Beginning

1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

Creation took place in 7 days and we are talking about the first TWO of those SEVEN days. It would take perhaps 100,000 books to explain what Moses talks about in one verse in the Bible.

 

[DogmaHunter]

What language do you speak?

Dutch, French, English, a bit of German and a few dirty words in Albanian.

I do not think we are talking the same language or at least we are not having the same conversation.

I was expressing that I have no clue what "dogma" you are referring to.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I can not keep up with all the responses I get.

So, you admit that you're ignoring those responses?

I try to stick to the people who are serious about wanting to know the truth and avoid the people who want to waste everyone's time.

And how would you know which comments to respond to then, if you say that you can't keep up with all of them?

Wouldn't you need to actually read the replies, to be able to make that judgement call?

 

[joshua 1 9]

So, you admit that you're ignoring those responses?

I not ignoring anything. Although I am required by the rules to ignore your rudeness. We set limits and boundaries and we try to be a good steward of the time we have to work with. I am under no obligation to allow people to waste my time. Esp I am 65 years old and the older I get the less time I have so I want to make good use out of what I have to work with.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I was expressing that I have no clue what "dogma" you are referring to.

You claim to be a "dogma hunter". As a general rule people are guilty of what they accuse others of. Rather then to deal with their own issues they project them out onto others.

"Psychological projection. Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others." wiki

"Carl Jung considered that the unacceptable parts of the personality represented by the Shadow archetype were particularly likely to give rise to projection, both small-scale and on a national/international basis.[20] "

 

[PsychoSarah]

No, you do -- but your education won't allow you to see it.

No, I mean you need to provide the part YOU think presents the idea of an expanding universe.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I mean you need to provide the part YOU think presents the idea of an expanding universe.

Another tidbit of science in the Bible is the fact that waves are caused by the wind -- as Jesus demonstrated.

 

[Dawnhammer]

Another tidbit of science in the Bible is the fact that waves are caused by the wind -- as Jesus demonstrated.

Super science there. Maybe they also figured hunger was caused by lack of food ?

Shame they didn’t give out Nobel Prizes back then.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe they also figured hunger was caused by lack of food ?

Are you submitting this to Sarah in answer to this:

Give an example of where the bible and science agree. It can be on anything you like, I'm not picky.

... or are you just keeping silent and ridiculing those who do answer?

 

[Ophiolite]

"Psychological projection. Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others." wiki

"Carl Jung considered that the unacceptable parts of the personality represented by the Shadow archetype were particularly likely to give rise to projection, both small-scale and on a national/international basis.[20] "

From comments in many of your posts you seem to consider yourself immune from this. Have I misread you?

P.S. I am older than you, so probably have less time. Please don't waste it with another of your evasive answers.

 

[Dawnhammer]

ridiculing those who do answer?

If you think wind making waves is an example of Biblical science....

You earned it.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you think wind making waves is an example of Biblical science....

You earned it.

Another example of science and the Bible is God mentioning electronic communications, as documented in the book of Job.

Neat, huh?

 

[Astrophile]

It would take 20 million years to create one supporting data point
for an event that took 2 million years. And you'd want a couple
data points. I don't have the time.

I don't understand this. What do you mean when you say that 'it would take 20 million years to create one supporting data point for an event that took 2 million years'?

The distances of the galaxies are measured using so-called 'standard candles' such as Cepheid variable stars and Type Ia supernovae, which have a known luminosity. If one knows both the true luminosity or absolute magnitude (M) of the object and its apparent magnitude (m), one can easily calculate its distance in parsecs (d), using the formula log d = 1 + 0.2(m - M). The distance in light-years is then 3.26×d.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Another tidbit of science in the Bible is the fact that waves are caused by the wind -- as Jesus demonstrated.

You mean ocean waves? That would only be partially correct, since the gravitational pull of the sun and moon also contribute to those.

 

[AV1611VET]

You mean ocean waves?

No.

 

[Speedwell]

You mean ocean waves? That would only be partially correct, since the gravitational pull of the sun and moon also contribute to those.

And ocean currents, which arise from other sources than wind. But even so, the Bible doesn't teach that wind causes waves, it merely describes the phenomenon, well known to anyone who lived around water for countless millenia.

 

[Dawnhammer]

Another example of science and the Bible is God mentioning electronic communications, as documented in the book of Job.

Talking lightning ? That is like saying A weapon of mass destruction is Bible science

“He found a fresh jawbone of a donkey, so he reached out and took it and killed a thousand men with it.”

Judges 15:15 He found a fresh jawbone of a donkey, so he reached out and took it and killed a thousand men with it.

Prophetic stuff there. You can interpret any of this stuff however you like and it is still not science.

“You shall not plow with an ox and a donkey together.”

The Bible predicted tractors. So neat.

Actually it reeks more of desperation.

 

[PsychoSarah]

No.

-_- then what waves do you mean?

 

[pitabread]

-_- then what waves do you mean?

Maybe he means this kind of wave:

 

[SkyWriting]

I don't understand this. What do you mean when you say that 'it would take 20 million years to create one supporting data point for an event that took 2 million years'?

The distances of the galaxies are measured using so-called 'standard candles' such as Cepheid variable stars and Type Ia supernovae, which have a known luminosity. If one knows both the true luminosity or absolute magnitude (M) of the object and its apparent magnitude (m), one can easily calculate its distance in parsecs (d), using the formula log d = 1 + 0.2(m - M). The distance in light-years is then 3.26×d.

A typo. Just 2 million. Thanks for the correction.

If you are classifying Ia supernovae by their brightness how does that create a standard? And if your going to explain that certain fireCrackers make a particular noise and flash, I'll tell you that one particular brand might have a narrow range of flash and pop, and another brand another spread, but that's becasue they are made that way. And the age of the cracker is going to make a difference. Younger, more distant supernovae are made from stars of a younger age and composition than older supernovae that are closer.

So being that all stars lacked quality control standards during their manufacture, no stars were sent back becasue they were out of spec, and the age of your products is unknown, I don't see how you have a "standard candle" as a baseline measure. What two stars in the sky are identical in composition? Zero. What two orbiting stars crash into each other and create a standard explosion? Also zero. Who has measured the effect of large distance of space, and time, and dark matter, and dark energy on our observations? Who has the time to test our observations by actually creating a "standard star",spreading them across time and space, and whacking them into each other to test our observation theories?

Without a standard to use to test your theories and the time needed to do experiments, you don't have science.