If creationism is true, then why is it useless?

[HitchSlap]

Either he doesn't have a calculator, or he doesn't have a Bible, or he can't count; or both.

He has no use for those things, silly mortal, he's OT VIII!

 

[keith99]

Matter of Fact Dr. Morris has done a lot of research on the Flood and has a lot of facts that the flood took place. Also VPI is one of the top 10 institutes in the world and has pasted MIT recently.

Really? Source please. I've never heard VPI mentioned in the top 100 let alone top 10 and rated above MIT is laughable.

 

[Motherofkittens]

I can name that tune in one note (word) BOTANY. Only it would take me a whole book to show you how the study of Botany proves that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. Perhaps you do not realize that the Bible talks about many many different plants. Esp plants that people use for food.

Let me give you more key words so you can do a Google search if your interested. We are talking about ancient plants in the Middle east. The experts on this are professors (Phds) that work at the university in Jerusalem. They have written books about ancient plants in the Middle east. Most of their material we find in peer reviewed journals articles.

Another word would be archaeology. For example around 20,000 years ago they found a site where they had mill stones and they were grinding the ancient grains that they were eating at that time. This could be a very good place for our story to begin.

Men of science have put a huge amount of work and research trying to find out how farming spread from the Middle East to Europe. Often these people are not Christians. They could be evolutionists that are wanting to know how wild ancient grains evolved into domesticated grains. A lot of research has gone into the neolithic revolution. All of this confirms that the Bible is 100% accurate and true.

"The Neolithic Revolution, Neolithic Demographic Transition, or Agricultural Revolution, was the wide-scale transition of many human cultures from a lifestyle of hunting and gathering to one of agriculture and settlement, making possible an increasingly larger population." wiki

If you do not want to accept that the Scientific evidence compiled in the last 100 years confirms that the Bible is accurate and true then you have to show where the evidence shows us that the Bible is NOT 100% accurate and true. God watches over His word to perform what He says: "I watch over my word to perform it." The Bible has all the authority and all the accuracy of the God that created this universe.

So I have give you: "Botnay", "Archecture" & "Neolithic Revolution". This is three areas of study that would take three different books to explain. How does that apply to Noah? NOT only were all of those plants on Noah's Ark, he took all to the farm animals with him also. All of the domesticated plants and animals goes back to Noah. This includes grapes that we get wine from. This includes barley and hops that we get beer from when the grains ferment. Grains do not ferment if they are in a basket they have to be in pottery to ferment.

This is the evidence and proof I have that Noah was a real person and the ARK was a real boat. The evidence is on your breakfast table in the grains that Noah saved for us when the earth was flooded back in Noah's day.

That is not direct evidence. Not at all. That would be like me saying " I have all this evidence that NYC, NY., exists (which of course, there is) . So that is evidence for Spiderman. That it exists shows that he does save the city everyday! Otherwise it wouldn't be here!"

Also, I am a bit confused. In other threads you have said Adam and Eve were real people from about 6,000 years ago and that is the "beginning of history". Yet in this very post from above you talk about mill stones that grinded ancient grains from "20,000 years ago ". Can you explain that. I thought perhaps you subscribe to what @Aman777 does. As you do accept evolution, so many you think those were not humans or "pre-humans". But then you say botany is evidence for Noah. How? Noah, came after Adam and Eve.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Also, I am a bit confused. In other threads you have said Adam and Eve were real people from about 6,000 years ago and that is the "beginning of history".

Many many books has been and can be written about what Adam and Eve represents. This is what they call the neolithic revolution. The beginning of farming, the beginning of animal husbandry. Also the beginning of marriage. This is the beginning of WRITTEN history. Of course natural history goes back a lot further. The first writing had to do with keeping track of bushels of grains and property boundaries or maps. God tells us what He is going to do and then when He is finished He tells us what He did. It could have taken God hundreds of thousands of years to create Adam and Eve. What we find in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago is the finished product.

 

[HitchSlap]

Many many books has been and can be written about what Adam and Eve represents. This is what they call the neolithic revolution. The beginning of farming, the beginning of animal husbandry. Also the beginning of marriage. This is the beginning of WRITTEN history. Of course natural history goes back a lot further. The first writing had to do with keeping track of bushels of grains and property boundaries or maps. God tells us what He is going to do and then when He is finished He tells us what He did. It could have taken God hundreds of thousands of years to create Adam and Eve. What we find in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago is the finished product.

Not even close to actual reality. Try again.

 

[joshua 1 9]

But then you say botany is evidence for Noah. How? Noah, came after Adam and Eve.

Adam was the first farmer. Before Adam we are told: "there was no man to cultivate the ground" (Genesis 2:4)Adam was not a food gather, Adam was a food producer. If you study botany and the domestication of ancient plants in the middle east you will be able to see the difference between an Ancient Plant and a cultivated plant. This is what Noah saved the cultivated plants that God put in the Garden if Eden for Adam to tend and take care of. This is what your Biology book calls a bio diverse Eco system. There are many many Eco systems in the biosphere. Noah ONLY saved ONE of them. He saved ONE bio diverse Eco system. Not all of them. Their world was one Eco system in the Tigris Euphrates river valley.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Not even close to actual reality. Try again.

prove it

 

[joshua 1 9]

lol... word salad, therefore - Noah

I use key words that people can do a google search. Actually the Bible is written this way also. Each and every word that Moses uses in the Hebrew has profound and extensive meaning. One word would answer your question. I am just helping you to understand what that word means. You would have to write a whole book to define the meaning of one Hebrew word in the Bible. An example of this is the neolithic revolution. One book could define what we mean by neolithic. But if your talking about the neolithic revolution it would take may books. Maybe even hundreds of thousands of book.

 

[HitchSlap]

prove it

No need to, reality speaks for itself.

 

[joshua 1 9]

No need to, reality speaks for itself.

Defend your claim or retract it.

 

[HitchSlap]

Defend your claim or retract it.

Son, please.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Son, please.

So you can not substantiate your claims. That is what I thought.

 

[HitchSlap]

So you can not substantiate your claims. That is what I thought.

I claim you’re full of BS.

Source: reality

 

[joshua 1 9]

I claim you’re full of BS.

Claim all you want. I am still waiting on your evidence and so far you have shown up empty handed. The fact remains that I produce overwhelming evidence that shows the Bible is absolute truth.

 

[HitchSlap]

Claim all you want. I am still waiting on your evidence and so far you have shown up empty handed. The fact remains that I produce overwhelming evidence that shows the Bible is absolute truth.

You’re delusional.

 

[tas8831]

Matter of Fact Dr. Morris has done a lot of research on the Flood and has a lot of facts that the flood took place.

Morris claimed that the reason we see a 'progression' in the fossil record is that the fossil record shows where the creatures lived when they were buried by the flood.

So, trilobites, living on the ocean bottom, are very low in the fossil record, humans higher up since we, apparently, lived on hill tops.

But isn't it odd that lobsters - who also live on the ocean bottom, are NOT found in the same strata as trilobites...

And isn't it odd that we see a progression in... trees.. in the fossil record. How does that work, I wonder.

He also proposed that creatures that weren't killed where they lived sorted out according to their density and hydrodynamic drag. Ok, makes sense.

Then why no grizzly bears in contemporaneous strata with giant ground sloths?

Why no blue whales in strata alongside apatosaurs?

Ad hoc nonsense, I'm afraid, is not facts that support the flood.

Of course, Morris also wrote about how Scripture explained the 'genetic predisposition' of "Negroes" to be servants, so....

 

[tas8831]

Well, so far, we have a civil engineer convincing a couple of geologists there was a global flood (I'm guessing they were Christians).

Morris was actually a hydraulic engineer. Who wrote about geology and biology and chemistry and physics and was of course a bible scholar.

Aren't they all.

 

[tas8831]

Yes, as history Genesis is extremely accurate.

LOL!

Oh, man...

 

[HitchSlap]

Morris was actually a hydraulic engineer. Who wrote about geology and biology and chemistry and physics and was of course a bible scholar.

Aren't they all.

Seems as soon as you don a creationist cap, read G1&2, you're suddenly qualified to comment on every field of science.

God move's in mysterious ways.

 

[tas8831]

Seems as soon as you don a creationist cap, read G1&2, you're suddenly qualified to comment on every field of science.

God move's in mysterious ways.

Isn't it amazing...

Also, claiming to have 'studied' or 'read about' something for 'X years' is also apparently some sort of qualification to be considered an authority on all things in creationland.

i just don't get it.