If creationism is true, then why is it useless?

[SkyWriting]

Because the same process is operating in all Type Ia supernovae, and because the white dwarf star explodes at the same mass in all of them, the peak luminosity is the same for all of them. That is why they can be used as standard candles.

But they don't all explode with the same brightness or
dim at the same rate.

“Supernovas can explode in many varied and diverse ways that we are only just beginning to understand,” Sullivan said. “Even events that we thought we understood very well — such as Type Ia supernovas — turn out to have a surprising amount of variation.”
Cookie-Cutter Supernovas Might Come in Different Flavors | Quanta Magazine

 

[SkyWriting]

Only if you deny the evidence (much more extensive) that shows there was a flood as described in the BIBLE (which has never been proven wrong).

Science doesn't prove anything. It just accumulates evidence.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Only if you deny the evidence (much more extensive) that shows there was a flood as described in the BIBLE (which has never been proven wrong).

Of course there was a flood as described in the Bible. No one has any reason to question that.

 

[pitabread]

Of course there was a flood as described in the Bible. No one has any reason to question that.

Depends on how literal you take it.

Was there a specific flood where a specific man named Noah build a giant ark, took two of every animal, and later helped repopulate the Earth? Of course not.

Were there a flood or floods which caused large-scale destruction and inspired the Noah's Ark flood story? Most likely.

Even in modern times, we see the results of massive flooding, so the idea of using a flood as basic for a mythological tale as found in the Bible isn't much of a stretch.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Of course there was a flood as described in the Bible. No one has any reason to question that.

-_- how about the fact that there isn't enough water on this planet to even flood the world like that?

 

[joshua 1 9]

-_- how about the fact that there isn't enough water on this planet to even flood the world like that?

Clearly that is NOT what the Bible says. As we grow in our understanding of Science this improves our understanding of the Bible.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Clearly that is NOT what the Bible says. As we grow in our understanding of Science this improves our understanding of the Bible.

Sorry, no.
Man's wisdom and knowledge leads people away from truth, away from and opposed to the Creator,
away from the Savior Jesus.

This is what the Bible says clearly.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Was there a specific flood where a specific man named Noah build a giant ark, took two of every animal, and later helped repopulate the Earth? Of course not.

Yes, there was a literal ARK and Noah was a real historical person. Noah saved the domesticated plants and animals in HIS bio diverse eco system. NOT the whole biosphere. Today the professors at the universities would call the study of ancient plants in the Middle East: BOTANY.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Sorry, no.
Man's wisdom and knowledge leads people away from truth, away from and opposed to the Creator,
away from the Savior Jesus.

This is what the Bible says clearly.

Did you search the Bible for the words wisdom and knowledge? Proverbs 2:6 " For the LORD gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding." I am not talking about man's wisdom because we know that is foolishness to God.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Were there a flood or floods which caused large-scale destruction and inspired the Noah's Ark flood story? Most likely

We do not fully know what was destroyed, we do know what Noah was able to save.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Yes, there was a literal ARK and Noah was a real historical person. Noah saved the domesticated plants and animals in HIS bio diverse eco system. NOT the whole biosphere. Today the professors at the universities would call the study of ancient plants in the Middle East: BOTANY.

1. the bible clearly states that the flood was global, and covered even the highest mountains.
2. it very clearly mentions non-domesticated animals being on the ark, such as crows and doves.

 

[pitabread]

Yes, there was a literal ARK and Noah was a real historical person. Noah saved the domesticated plants and animals in HIS bio diverse eco system. NOT the whole biosphere. Today the professors at the universities would call the study of ancient plants in the Middle East: BOTANY.

Uh huh. And of course your evidence that Noah was a real, literal person who built the Ark described in the Bible is... ?

 

[pitabread]

We do not fully know what was destroyed, we do know what Noah was able to save.

Just curious, by why do you split up replies to a single post into multiple posts? Why just quote everything in one post? Makes it easier to have a discussion that way.

 

[AV1611VET]

Uh huh. And of course your evidence that Noah was a real, literal person who built the Ark described in the Bible is... ?

The Jews.

 

[Ophiolite]

Of course there was a flood as described in the Bible. No one has any reason to question that.

Why do you make such ludicrous statementsthat are demonstrably false? I question it because there is no evidence of either a local or global flood that has the effects described when a literal translation of the Bible is used.

 

[Ophiolite]

Sorry, no.
Man's wisdom and knowledge leads people away from truth, away from and opposed to the Creator,
away from the Savior Jesus.

This is what the Bible says clearly.

But if the Bible says that clearly and we take heed of it then that would increase our wisdom and knowledge, which would, in turn, lead us away from truth. Problematic don't you think?

 

[HitchSlap]

Yes, as history Genesis is extremely accurate.

lol

Göbekli Tepe - Wikipedia

Always good for a laugh or two...

 

[joshua 1 9]

Why do you make such ludicrous statementsthat are demonstrably false?

Every single day I address this. The Bible is 100% accurate and true. The problem is man's understanding of the Bible. We need the Holy Spirit of God to guide us and lead us into the truth. Apart from God - man is not able to understand the Bible.

Each and every generation needs to find the message the Bible has for them and their generation. The Bible was written 3500 years ago. Nothing new has been added. Our generation is going to be able to understand more then past generations because we know a lot more science. We have a lot more to work with then past generations have had. For over 100 years archaeology has studies historical Bible sites and this gives us a lot more understanding.

Some people like traditions but we need to be careful of traditional understandings of the Bible that does not take new information from science into consideration. Text books are constantly changing. Even my son's literature book was revised 22 times. While the Bible remains consistant and unchanged our understanding of the Bible grows. We try to come up with new translations so people can have a better understanding of how to apply the Bible the word of God to their lives.

Psam 145:4 "One generation commends your works to another; they tell of your mighty acts."

The problem is not in the Bible. The problem is the teaching of the Bible from generation to generation. Older generations did not have as much science as we do. Today we know more so we are able to better understand the story of Noah and the flood back in his day.

Psalm 102:18 "This will be written for the generation to come"

There are parts of the Bible that were not even for the people back in the day they were written. They were written by them for us today. Other parts of the Bible was written for past generations but they also have meaning for us today. Each generation has to find meaning in the Bible for them and their generation.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Uh huh. And of course your evidence that Noah was a real, literal person who built the Ark described in the Bible is... ?

I can name that tune in one note (word) BOTANY. Only it would take me a whole book to show you how the study of Botany proves that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. Perhaps you do not realize that the Bible talks about many many different plants. Esp plants that people use for food.

Let me give you more key words so you can do a Google search if your interested. We are talking about ancient plants in the Middle east. The experts on this are professors (Phds) that work at the university in Jerusalem. They have written books about ancient plants in the Middle east. Most of their material we find in peer reviewed journals articles.

Another word would be archaeology. For example around 20,000 years ago they found a site where they had mill stones and they were grinding the ancient grains that they were eating at that time. This could be a very good place for our story to begin.

Men of science have put a huge amount of work and research trying to find out how farming spread from the Middle East to Europe. Often these people are not Christians. They could be evolutionists that are wanting to know how wild ancient grains evolved into domesticated grains. A lot of research has gone into the neolithic revolution. All of this confirms that the Bible is 100% accurate and true.

"The Neolithic Revolution, Neolithic Demographic Transition, or Agricultural Revolution, was the wide-scale transition of many human cultures from a lifestyle of hunting and gathering to one of agriculture and settlement, making possible an increasingly larger population." wiki

If you do not want to accept that the Scientific evidence compiled in the last 100 years confirms that the Bible is accurate and true then you have to show where the evidence shows us that the Bible is NOT 100% accurate and true. God watches over His word to perform what He says: "I watch over my word to perform it." The Bible has all the authority and all the accuracy of the God that created this universe.

So I have give you: "Botnay", "Archecture" & "Neolithic Revolution". This is three areas of study that would take three different books to explain. How does that apply to Noah? NOT only were all of those plants on Noah's Ark, he took all to the farm animals with him also. All of the domesticated plants and animals goes back to Noah. This includes grapes that we get wine from. This includes barley and hops that we get beer from when the grains ferment. Grains do not ferment if they are in a basket they have to be in pottery to ferment.

This is the evidence and proof I have that Noah was a real person and the ARK was a real boat. The evidence is on your breakfast table in the grains that Noah saved for us when the earth was flooded back in Noah's day.

 

[pitabread]

If you do not want to accept that the Scientific evidence compiled in the last 100 years confirms that the Bible is accurate and true then you have to show where the evidence shows us that the Bible is NOT 100% accurate and true.

That's not how it works. You made the claim, you support it.

I asked you to explain what the evidence is to support that Noah was a real, literal person who built the Ark described in Bible. And your answer had absolutely nothing to do with that question. In fact, it reads like you maybe quoted the wrong post by mistake.