If common appearance = common DNA

PsychoSarah · Apr 19, 2017

Jordan Mays said:
Words can only change minds not reality and death is the final arbiter no matter how much we wish it wasn't.

Sure, and no one is saying words impact what happens after death. AV believes that the bible tells people what happens after death, and I don't. Neither of us think that personal beliefs, or those words existing, have any impact on what actually does happen to our consciousness when we die. The bible could have never existed, and neither myself nor AV would suggest that it not existing makes a difference on what happens after we die. In AV's case, he might say he'd be less certain of an afterlife, but whether or not there is one would not change.

PsychoSarah · Apr 19, 2017

Jordan Mays said:
How do you know that Satan is not the good one? who does the most killing in the Bible? who keeps saying, love me or I will kill you? I don't think it's Satan.

The being that is Satan may do less bad, but it also does less good. In fact, I recall not a single good deed of the devil from the bible. At least the biblical god has done recognizably good acts at all. A good comparison between Satan and the biblical god would be that Satan is your garbage cousin that keeps trying to get you to commit crimes with him, and the biblical god is your father that will whoop your butt if you commit those crimes. While the biblical god doesn't personally give me the impression of a benevolent being, I get that even less from Satan.

Jordan Mays · Apr 19, 2017

AV1611VET said:
In this dispensation, abortionists do.

You can call it what you like but there has and will only ever be one time, for believers God kills far more with his miscarriages.

Jordan Mays · Apr 19, 2017

PsychoSarah said:
The being that is Satan may do less bad, but it also does less good. In fact, I recall not a single good deed of the devil from the bible.

Satan was needed by the Bible to carry the can for all the bad things happening in the world he was not there to do good, the Bible had a God for all of that, when he wasn't having people killed of course.
God was the original Mafia Don, you either love me or I will send someone around to have a word with you.

PsychoSarah · Apr 19, 2017

Jordan Mays said:
Satan was needed by the Bible to carry the can for all the bad things happening in the world he was not there to do good, the Bible had a God for all of that, when he wasn't having people killed of course.
God was the original Mafia Don, you either love me or I will send someone around to have a word with you.

Like I said, I am not arguing that the biblical god gives me the impression of a good being, but neither does Satan. Name one thing, just one thing, that Satan does in the bible that could be considered good. Defying the biblical god? Hardly good when that instigated the creation of hell.

Jordan Mays · Apr 19, 2017

PsychoSarah said:
Like I said, I am not arguing that the biblical god gives me the impression of a good being, but neither does Satan. Name one thing, just one thing, that Satan does in the bible that could be considered good. Defying the biblical god? Hardly good when that instigated the creation of hell.

As I said Satan was not there to do good but if you read the Bible Satan never did half the bad things God did, what can Satan do anyway other than a little tempting here and there?

Doveaman · Apr 19, 2017

JonFromMinnesota said:
The evidence for evolution has been used to make accurate predictions about the natural world. It's backed up by experimentation along with several other disciplines that all arrive at the same conclusion. It's not that you interpret the evidence differently, it's that creationists don't know how science works.

Nope, it's that evolution theory ignores the historical evidence:

"The LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground...From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth." -- (Genesis 2:7, Acts 17:26).

PsychoSarah · Apr 19, 2017

Jordan Mays said:
As I said Satan was not there to do good but if you read the Bible Satan never did half the bad things God did, what can Satan do anyway other than a little tempting here and there?

-_- tempting people into the fiery pits of hell for all of eternity seems pretty evil to me.

PsychoSarah · Apr 19, 2017

Doveaman said:
Nope, it's that evolution theory ignores the historical evidence:

"The LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground...From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth." -- (Gen 2:7, Acts 17:26).

-_- history is lesser to science, good sir. Even if the bible was considered a reliable historical text, direct observations of the world around us that contradict it would take precedence and would be considered more reliable. And that goes for any historical text.

Doveaman · Apr 19, 2017

JonFromMinnesota said:
What is your evidence?

My evidence is the same as yours, but interpreted differently.

Are you smarter than biologists that have spent their entire life in their field of expertise?

Yes.

Those who ignore the records of history can't be that smart.

Doveaman · Apr 19, 2017

JonFromMinnesota said:
You seem to accept the taxonomy of felines but when it comes to humans then taxonomy is wrong? That is intellectually dishonest.

Nope, I'm just taking all the evidence into account. Including the records of history.

You cannot ignore history.

Doveaman · Apr 19, 2017

Jordan Mays said:
Faith is used when there is no evidence which means faith is for the unsure and the wishful thinkers.
Please tell me what it is you think I believe on faith.

That the pilot will land the plane safely.

Doveaman · Apr 19, 2017

Gene Parmesan said:
I would say we all have different levels of confidence about things. I can't know 100% that my pen will fall to the ground when I drop it, but I'm very confident it will and I think it benefits me to assume gravity will function in the same way it has as far as I've experienced it. I'm almost as confident that my wife loves me, based on what has been demonstrated thus far.

Can you demonstrate to us that your wife loves you? or do we just take your word for it?

Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

Show us the evidence.

PsychoSarah · Apr 19, 2017

Doveaman said:
Can you demonstrate to us that your wife loves you? or do we just take your word for it?

Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

-_- peoples emotions are measurable brain processes, even love, so they demonstrably exist. Further evidence to support his claim would be the actions of his wife over time. People can only pretend to feel about another person for so long without slipping up.

AV1611VET · Apr 19, 2017

Jordan Mays said:
... for believers God kills far more with his miscarriages.

Do you have statistics to back that up?

Doveaman · Apr 19, 2017

PsychoSarah said:
-_- peoples emotions are measurable brain processes, even love, so they demonstrably exist.

Does this include our love for God?

Further evidence to support his claim would be the actions of his wife over time.

Well our love for God has been around for a very long time.

Is our love for God real?

PsychoSarah · Apr 19, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Do you have statistics to back that up?

Well, here are some statistics. About 10-20% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. To compare number of abortions just with children born in the US, a country in which abortion is legal (using numbers from 2013, the most recent I can find for the CDC), there were about 200 abortions for every 1000 live births. However, the trend of abortions has been declining in recent years, and there are plenty of countries in which abortion rates are lower, even when they are legal. Even assuming that none of the aborted pregnancies would have resulted in miscarriage down the line, worldwide that'd make death from abortion about equal to death from miscarriage. And since the number of miscarriages of pregnancies that are not known can't be quantified, it is entirely possible that most miscarriages occur before a person even knows that they are pregnant, and any that do happen without a person knowing that they were pregnant don't count in the biblical god's favor on this one.

PsychoSarah · Apr 19, 2017

Doveaman said:
Does this include our love for God?
Well our love for God has been around for a very long time.

Not just your love for god, but what you perceive god as like. Apparently, different religions result in different brain activity, with the most distinct being between people that view god/gods as physical and with form, and those who don't. Measuring brain activity during prayer is really neat.

Doveaman said:
Is our love for God real?

Yup. Doesn't mean the being itself is real, but your feelings in regards to god are.

Doveaman · Apr 19, 2017

PsychoSarah said:
-_- history is lesser to science, good sir. Even if the bible was considered a reliable historical text, direct observations of the world around us that contradict it would take precedence and would be considered more reliable. And that goes for any historical text.

Just because gravity is observed to be 1g doesn't mean it was always 1g.

Dinosaurs could not live in 1g gravity.

Doveaman · Apr 19, 2017

PsychoSarah said:
Not just your love for god, but what you perceive god as like. Apparently, different religions result in different brain activity, with the most distinct being between people that view god/gods as physical and with form, and those who don't. Measuring brain activity during prayer is really neat.

When you measure brain activity are you really measuring love, or just the effects of love on the brain?

I always thought love was intangible, like God.

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