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What has who I am or not got to do with what I said? is the same faith used by every believer in the world or not?
Every believer ... including atheists ... use at least a modicum of faith.

It is the object of one's faith that matters.
 
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Every believer ... including atheists ... use at least a modicum of faith.
Faith is used when there is no evidence which means faith is for the unsure and the wishful thinkers.
Please tell me what it is you think I believe on faith.
It is the object of one's faith that matters.
Which could be anything so faith is good for nothing.
You can believe anything using faith? you could believe in UFO's, Ghosts, Christianity, Islam, Voodoo or anything which means the very last place faith will guide you is to the truth.
Every believer in every religion believes their faith is justified but how many of them are right? my guess is only the believers who believe like you which to them is everyone so they are all right, but as we all know they can't all be right even though they obviously think they are, as do you.
 
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It is the object of one's faith that matters.
Which could be anything so faith is good for nothing.
So since the target of someone's gun could be anything, guns are good for nothing?
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Every believer in every religion believes their faith is justified but how many of them are right?
It is the object of their faith that determines the veracity of their faith.

What you're doing is akin to saying addition is wrong because someone could write down any answer.
 
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Every believer ... including atheists ... use at least a modicum of faith.

It is the object of one's faith that matters.
I would say we all have different levels of confidence about things. I can't know 100% that my pen will fall to the ground when I drop it, but I'm very confident it will and I think it benefits me to assume gravity will function in the same way it has as far as I've experienced it. I'm almost as confident that my wife loves me, based on what has been demonstrated thus far. I'm less confident that my car will start when I leave work. I have very little confidence that our President won't say something stupid today.

You are free to call any one of those statements "faith," but I would say it is a false equivalence to say that they are on the same level as believing some unverifiable supernatural claim with absolute certainty.
 
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So since the target of someone's gun could be anything, guns are good for nothing?It is the object of their faith that determines the veracity of their faith.
What you're doing is akin to saying addition is wrong because someone could write down any answer.
It obviously works for you to keep twisting everything around so it makes sense to you.
The really sad thing is you are never going to find out if you are right or wrong because your brain will one day stop working and you will be dead, you will have been conned but so what? it won't matter to you one bit because there will be nothing left of what was once you to worry about it, the magic will have ended for all of us.
 
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... your brain will one day stop working and you will be dead,
And one day I'll have a new brain in a new body with a new address.

You?
 
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And one day I'll have a new brain in a new body with a new address.

You?
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And one day I'll have a new brain in a new body with a new address.
Of course you will because you have convinced yourself that it's going to happen, it won't happen why should it? but don't let that worry you.
I'll be dead just like you.
 
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Can you please give me one good reason why that should happen? just one.
You mean why God is going to do a complete makeover; or do you mean why He is going to do it at all?
 
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Don't bring me into it you're the one who believes the unbelievable not me.
Oh, it's believable alright.

Believe me ... it's believable.

Any child can do it.

That's why God is not going to accept any bologna scientific reasoning behind why someone didn't get saved before he died.

Everything from I NEVER KNEW YOU to I NEVER SAW ANY EVIDENCE FOR YOU is going out the door.

Even I THOUGHT ABOUT GETTING SAVED UNTIL I STARTED READING AV1611'S POSTS isn't going to cut it.
 
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Oh, it's believable alright.

Believe me ... it's believable.

Any child can do it.

That's why God is not going to accept any bologna scientific reasoning behind why someone didn't get saved before he died.

Everything from I NEVER KNEW YOU to I NEVER SAW ANY EVIDENCE FOR YOU is going out the door.

Even I THOUGHT ABOUT GETTING SAVED UNTIL I STARTED READING AV1611'S POSTS isn't going to cut it.
I would say this: any person has the capacity, at least at some point in their life, to convert to Christianity if they are exposed to the religion. However, that capacity measurably decreases as we get older, making the easiest converts children. Hence why I can try to convert for almost 9 years now and still not believe, but a 5 year old child could be a believer.

That is, unless they have such a severe mental defect that the person in question has no idea what's going on ever. I should hope such people aren't just thrown into the pit of Hell anyways, but as life isn't fair, there's no actual reason to expect it of death.
 
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That is, unless they have such a severe mental defect that the person in question has no idea what's going on ever.
We teach age of accountability.

For some, it could be 5 years old; for others, 35.
 
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You mean why God is going to do a complete makeover; or do you mean why He is going to do it at all?
Why should you start another life when you are dead? what will make it happen just because you believe it will?
 
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Oh, it's believable alright.
Believe me ... it's believable.
Not by any reasonable thinking person it's not, I can imagine it but I know it's not going to happen just because I can imagine it happening.
 
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Why should you start another life when you are dead? what will make it happen just because you believe it will?
-_- AV doesn't believe that an afterlife will happen just because he believes in it, don't be silly. Very few theists or atheists are so self-centered and stupid as to think their personal beliefs actually influence whether or not there is an afterlife of any sort.
 
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Why should you start another life when you are dead? what will make it happen just because you believe it will?

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
 
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