If common appearance = common DNA

[bhsmte]

I get the impression you don't like the word faith.

But faith can be based on evidence.

You have faith the autopilot will work because you have evidence that it worked before.

I have faith God's word is true because I have evidence that it works.

If you do not obey God's word you will not find evidence that it works.

Obedience is how you demonstrate that it works.

I have faith I will win lotto one day. In regards to things that have proven reliability, I have trust.

 

[Skreeper]

I get the impression you don't like the word faith.

I just don't agree with your usage of the word.

But faith can be based on evidence.

Then it is not faith anymore. If you have evidence, why do you need to rely on faith?

You have faith the autopilot will work because you have evidence that it worked before.

Maybe it will make it more clear for you when I give you my understanding of the word faith:

Faith is belief absent of evidence. Faith is the excuse people give when they don't have a good reason to believe something.

Example: I can have faith that I will win the lottery tomorrow. Since I don't have a good reason to believe that, I use faith.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

That's pretty much what faith is -- confidence, assurance, trust.

I too have confidence that God loves me. That's why I trust Him.
So do I. Nothing beats personal experiences, right?
I too can see all God's acts of kindness expressed through His creation, feel His gentle breeze all over my body, read the love letters He sent me, and remember all His wonderful acts of love expressed through His Son. It is absolutely reasonable for me to proceed under the impression that God loves me.

This sounds like a reply from nearly any believer in any number of non-compatible gods. The gentle breeze is evidence of Brahma to someone else. Neither of you would have any way of showing that that is true. Unlike when we discuss confidence in people we actually interact with. Nothing you have said can be demonstrated to come from any god. You have "faith." Your confidence is disproportional to evidence.

I personally have never met your wife, so I have no reason to even believe she exists.

But I'll take you at your word since it is your personal experience and not mine, right.

Why in the world would I care if you believe my wife is real or not? It's not like I'm telling you that you need to believe she is real or else you'll burn for all eternity. What kind of a monster would do that?

 

[AV1611VET]

A little baby is a gift from God; a miscarriage is not God's fault.

A miscarriage is a woman's body's way of ending a pregnancy that has started out in detriment.

 

[lesliedellow]

Common DNA (identical twins) implies identical appearance, not vice versa.

If I had a double in the world somewhere, that would imply only that those aspects of our genome which were involved in outward appearance were similar; it would say nothing about the rest of our DNA.

 

[Jimmy D]

A miscarriage is a woman's body's way of ending a pregnancy that has started out in detriment.

What does "started out in detriment" mean?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Faith is used when there is no evidence which means faith is for the unsure and the wishful thinkers.

Faith is a gift and a fruit, evidence of the Holy Spirit working in our lives. There is human faith and positive thinking and this has been shown many many times to be highly effective. Use to be they would test drugs against a placebo which is little more then having faith in a pill. Now they test new drugs against old drug treatments to prove that the new drug is more effective. God is greater than man. God created man. Perhaps in some cases there are people who have created an image of God for themselves. I usually agree with them about what they say about the God they have created for themselves.

1 cor 1:25 "the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength"

 

[joshua 1 9]

Common DNA (identical twins) implies identical appearance, not vice versa.

If I had a double in the world somewhere, that would imply only that those aspects of our genome which were involved in outward appearance were similar; it would say nothing about the rest of our DNA.

No two people are totally identical. Their embryo maybe identical but selective changes take place as the embryos develop.

 

[AV1611VET]

- it is a failure of natural processes.

Really?

Miscarriage, also known as spontaneous abortion and pregnancy loss, is the natural death of an embryo or fetus before it is able to survive independently.

SOURCE

And if it's a natural process that has nothing to do with the woman, why do people blame miscarriages on God?

 

[joshua 1 9]

And if it's a natural process that has nothing to do with the woman, why do people blame miscarriages on God?

We read in Genesis 3:6 To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you."

Then we read in 2 Timothy 2 "4 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression. 15 Women, however, will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control."

In Galations 3:13 "But Christ rescued us from the Law's curse, when he became a curse in our place."

Perhaps you can explain the meaning of these scriptures. If we trust in God He will not disappoint us.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What does "started out in detriment" mean?

We choose life or death, blessing or curse, sickness or health, poverty or prosperty. If we make wrong choices then we can expect harm or damage to be the result of that. If for example a women is a drug addict prostitute then the doctors are going to want to test for a lot of problems that women that have lived a life of purity do not have to be concerned with. Ask Michael Douglas about throat cancer and HPV. David prayed: "Do not remember the sins of my youth and my rebellious ways;" (Psalm 25:7) We hope that the consequences from the sins of our youth do not catch up with us in our old age. The heart doctor talks about the accumulation of fat deposits from the food we eat and how heart disease is a leading cause of death. Oh but how people love to party and eat food that could be detrimental to their health.

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. Galations 6:7

 

[joshua 1 9]

I have faith I will win lotto one day.

Perhaps the winner is the person with the most faith.

 

[joshua 1 9]

you must believe that sin can cause DNA problems.

If we did not live in a fallen world then there would not be DNA problems.

Romans 8 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Like I said, all praise, no blame. What a great gig!

Where do you get your theology? on the Internet?

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

For your information, we praise God for the good and fear God for the evil.

2 Corinthians 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

 

[AV1611VET]

Like a cult. Got it.

Good.

I assume you'll be dropping that 'all praise, no blame' nonsense?

I don't believe any such nonsense,

I can tell.

 

[AV1611VET]

How is it nonsense? You essentially confirmed that this is your actual stance.

LOL -- solid aurum.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You believe that God created the genome, yes?

I go by Francis Collins. You can study up on that in his book:"The Language of God".

you apparently believe that God also 'created' mutations

We believe that mutations are a part of the fallen condition of man and creation. We believe that Satan caused mutation. He wants to cause creation to destroy itself. Starting 200 million years ago with the dinosaurs in Pangea.

 

[AV1611VET]

You see, I can always tell when a YEC has had his/her bluff called -

LOL ... and the aurum gets more solid.

I'm not a YEC, mister always-can-tell.

 

[Jimmy D]

We believe that mutations are a part of the fallen condition of man and creation. We believe that Satan caused mutation. He wants to cause creation to destroy itself. Starting 200 million years ago with the dinosaurs in Pangea.

Francis Collins does not believe that.

What is it with you guys and your home spun theology? You claim the Bible is the be all and end all and then go around making stuff up when you realize your position is untenable. Is the instruction about not adding to the bible one of those things you can ignore these days?

 

[Gene Parmesan]

I go by Francis Collins. You can study up on that in his book:"The Language of God".
We believe that mutations are a part of the fallen condition of man and creation. We believe that Satan caused mutation. He wants to cause creation to destroy itself. Starting 200 million years ago with the dinosaurs in Pangea.

Satan causes mutation and wants creation to destroy itself. And that's why it happens? I think that phrasing is interesting because it seems to remove any culpability from God. But also, curiously, since mutations are necessary for evolution, Satan is the source of evolution?

"We believe that mutations are a part of the fallen condition of man and creation." Does that mean you are taking about "the fall" in the Garden of Eden? I'm not sure if I'm reading that right since you also say "starting with 200 million years ago with the dinosaurs."