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Next? Going through the list of typical counter theories is unproductive. Now its your turn to prove it was a hallucination.Hallucination. Next?
....but to bolster this argument against hallucination- the men who were with him heard.Hallucination. Next?
Of course it isn't. The burden of proof is on you. After Jesus' death, Paul claimed he saw a vision and heard Jesus speak to him. The simplest explanation: he imagined it.Next? Going through the list of typical counter theories is unproductive. Now its your turn to prove it was a hallucination.
Uh-huh. Where did you read that?....but to bolster this argument against hallucination- the men who were with him heard.
"And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man"
Historical ancient manuscripts.Uh-huh. Where did you read that?
Acts 9Historical ancient manuscripts.which contains a letter by Saul of Tarsus.
Something that an objective person could verify for themselves, without having to take something told to them by others or through scripture on faith.
If there was a religion with a holy book that made many specfic revelations that could be confirmed as true without excessive interpretation, then that is somethiing I could verify. E.g. a holy book that revealed the germ theory of disease in good detaiil.
Sanhedrin soldiers. The command was given by the Sanhedrin Court, the ancient Jewish court system, to Saul of Tarsus, to gather the Jews who defected to Christianity. The Great Sanhedrin was the supreme religious body in the Land of Israel during the time of the Holy Temple.And who were these men?
No names, no writings left behind?Sanhedrin soldiers. The command was given by the Sanhedrin Court, the ancient Jewish court system, to Saul of Tarsus, to gather the Jews who defected to Christianity. The Great Sanhedrin was the supreme religious body in the Land of Israel during the time of the Holy Temple.
Literacy was not common among ancient people. Those who had some knowledge were typically students like Saul who was instructed by the Rabbi's.No names, no writings left behind?
Ergo, no evidence ... just a claim of evidence.Literacy was not common among ancient people. Those who had some knowledge were typically students like Saul who was instructed by the Rabbi's.
So Saul made up the whole story? What would be his motivation to do so?Ergo, no evidence ... just a claim of evidence.
"I lifted one thousand pounds with one hand. 50 people saw me do it. No I don't have their names. Just have faith."
Or the author of Acts made it up. Or Saul did. Or someone miss-remembered. Or maybe, he was a charlatan taking advantage of illiterate rubes.So Saul made up the whole story? What would be his motivation to do so?
That sounds impressive. Are we talking about the gospel of Luke, by any chance? A single source written by a Christian? In other words, you read it in the Bible?Historical ancient manuscripts.which contains a letter by Saul of Tarsus.
Acts is an overview, Saul wrote letters. These letters are considered historical accounts and part of ancient manuscripts. He repeats this story in his letters to the Corinthians and Galatians. The only argument you have is that he lied and there is absolutely no reason for him to do that since he was a persecutor of Christians at the time.Or the author of Acts made it up. Or Saul did. Or someone miss-remembered. Or maybe, he was a charlatan taking advantage of illiterate rubes.
Joseph Smith had witnesses that swore to the accuracy of his story.
Do you believe there were golden plates?
ETA: It doesn't matter the motivations. What you have is a claim not evidence. Lacking the imagination as to why someone wrote a story also isn't evidence.
Letters from Saul where he talks about his conversion, Corinthians and Galatians.That sounds impressive. Are we talking about the gospel of Luke, by any chance? A single source written by a Christian? In other words, you read it in the Bible?
He wasn't a persecutor of Christians when he wrote that this happened. He was a guy starting a religion ... not unlike Joseph Smith.Acts is an overview, Saul wrote letters. These letters are considered historical accounts and part of ancient manuscripts. He repeats this story in his letters to the Corinthians and Galatians. The only argument you have is that he lied and there is absolutely no reason for him to do that since he was a persecutor of Christians at the time.
Paul either simply made it up, or he genuinely hallucinated that Jesus spoke to him.Acts is an overview, Saul wrote letters. These letters are considered historical accounts and part of ancient manuscripts. He repeats this story in his letters to the Corinthians and Galatians. The only argument you have is that he lied and there is absolutely no reason for him to do that since he was a persecutor of Christians at the time.
Haaa! I did chuckle, no offence, but you are starting to split hairs on this. I am sure you know someone who wrote down a story as an adult about their boyhood experience? Hint..hint.He wasn't a persecutor of Christians when he wrote that this happened. He was a guy starting a religion ... not unlike Joseph Smith.
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