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What I am seeing is pure ignorance spiritually in CF. I am not quiting CF but I am surely cutting back. I will get on when I have nothing better to do.
Have a good day.
A little puffed up arn't we?The only spiritual ignorance lies with you if you cannot agree with everything in my statement of the facts that are unarguable from scriptiure.
Amen, B57. The diamond analogy is a great one. And your assessment is also spot-on.
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The only spiritual ignorance lies with you if you cannot agree with everything in my statement of the facts that are unarguable from scriptiure. Of course an irrational Calvinist will probably make the attempt because that is what he likes to do.
A little puffed up arn't we?
LOL So then you boast in yourself.. Right in who's eyes? Yours?I know when I am right. . . . . and I know when you are also, which has been a rare occurance, so far. . . . in fact .. . . .???
LOL So then you boast in yourself.. Right in who's eyes? Yours?
Yes, that is my view. Therefore, John 14:16 teaches we are indwelt forever and thus once indwelt, we cannot lose our salvation, for He will never leave us nor forsake us.The conditionalism of the subjunctive is premised on the act of the giver giving, if he gives then he will abide forever..
Van said:Because the mood is subjunctive, "may be" rather than "will be" might be indicated. Do you know? And further, if the circumstance in view is a possibility, rather than a certainty, is the circumstance whether God will send the Helper in response to Christ's request, or in other words, is Christ choice of words asking rather than telling, i.e not assuming that the Father will send the Helper, or is the circumstance in view whether or not the Helper will stay forever. I believe the former view is the idea and therefore "will be with you forever" is the best translation.
Lol..you dont understand the bible..
eimiYes, that is my view. Therefore, John 14:16 teaches we are indwelt forever and thus once indwelt, we cannot lose our salvation, for He will never leave us nor forsake us.
Here is how I put it:
MamaZ, does the Greek grammar support such a view? BTW, "eimi" appears in the critical NA or WH text, so you need to look at either of those texts, not the "received text."
We see too much hasty interpretations being drawn solely for the purpose of propping up bad theology, and trying to defeat Calvinism, simply because it is Calvinism
In this forum, man is serving their own interests that no other kind of spiritual conduct is expected.Ah, you gotta be talking about me again. I can always tell.
However, not I. I try to defeat Calvinism because it deprives man of the truth of the gospel, i.e., that there is more to it than the redemption-salvation story that by default makes man the central figure in the gospel and not God.
In this forum, man is serving their own interests that no other kind of spiritual conduct is expected.
Regarding man-centered and God-centered. Apostle Paul wrote, “Your salvation is nothing you have achieved by your good works. It is a gift of God. You receive it by faith. That way no one can boast of his own accomplishments.”
How can one walk away from Christ who abides in us forever? To say Christ does not abide in us forever (John 14:16) requires that scripture be nullified by the traditions of men. Several translations render it "to be with you forever" including the NIV, the ESV, and HCSB. The context suggests "to be" to be the best translation, even though the NASB, YLT and the NKJV render the phrase "may be with you forever." Since no one can walk away from an indwelt Holy Spirit, no one can lose their salvation. Once born again, our resurrection unto life is predestined.
We exercise our will within the confines allowed by God, and those confines are not necessarily static. For example when God hardened the unbelieving Jews, they could not exercise their will any longer and come to Christ, God no longer allowed access.
Just like Pharoah, correct?
And yes, when a person is born again, they have, past tense, overcome the world. If they think they are overcoming the world, they are mistaken. Christ overcame the world, and therefore everyone born again "in Christ" has overcome the world. The technical term for this is "salvation."
But now they have themselves to overcome, correct? . . . .
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