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If anyone suffers from intrusive violent thoughts,please do reply to my post.Thanks!

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Hello,

I am a 24 year old married woman. I have been born again Christian and I have believed in Jesus Christ since I was 5 years old. When I was about 11 or 12, I got my first attack of thoughts provoking me to kill or harm my loved ones. In my own opinion, I know Satan is the one behind OCD in all shapes and forms brought against people as are these thoughts. So as you can assume, that was extremely tramatic for an 11 or 12 year old young girl to recieve these violent thoughts out of the blue, trying to convince me they were mine. And eventually through extensive meditating in God's word and reading Kenneth E. Hagin books and tapes on the believer's authority and What to do with faith seems weak and victory loss to name a few, as well as keeping in contact with my pastor and his wife, whom I have a very close relationship with, I was able to overcome these thoughts. I also saw a born again Christian counsler, and I took different anti depressants over the years, although I don't remember if any specific ones helped with the thoughts, as this was so long ago. I don't know when or how long it took for me to receive my victory,but praise God I did! And although the thoughts would try and come back every once in awhile, I recognized them as Satan trying to get a foothold back in my life, and I never gave them much attention. And I lived free from these thoughts for 7 or 8 years praise God! But now at the age of 24, I have been attacked with these thoughts again, and I was totally unprepared and let me gaurd down all those years I lived free. And this time around it seems to be an even harder and stronger attack. Like it says in the bible, If you cast the devil out, he walks around dry places looking for a place to in habit, and he returns to try and get back into the place he was before. And since out of ignorance and letting my gaurd down, I unintentionally let this thing get ahold of me again from getting drunk and not living the most Christianly life as I once did. And it says in the bible, If you let the devil back in after he has been cast out, he brings 7 more demons with him, and his condition is worse then before. Not that I'm saying for sure that he brought back 7 demons or that is exactly what is happenening. But it would make since as the attacks seem to be stronger this time around. I'm sure it's just the same pathetic, deafeated demon it was the first time. And I have been in continous contact with my pastor's wife. And she has given me many scriptures and advice, reminding me Satan is defeated and that I don't have to listen to his thoughts, and I can cast down imaginations, speak to them and tell them no those aren't mine and I refuse to think them, and bring every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, as it says in the bible. And she also reminds me Satan can make things seem scarier and more overwhelming then they really are and like I'm going crazy or loosing my mind, although I'm not. But I still have a choice as to whether I am going to give into his LIES and HIS feelings he is trying to force on me, or I can trust in God's truth and refuse to believe his thoughts. And all that does help, and I'm so thankful to have my pastor's wife,Kenneth E. Hagin's reading and listening materials, the bible and Jesus himself for help and support in my time of need. But I still find myself what I would call "assuming" I will have thoughts, because I have had my gaurd up all day every day for almost 3 months to the point that its hard not to assume I will get attacked with those intrusive thoughts, I then find myself getting more intusive thoughts the more I try to not think about them, and the more frustrated I get. As difficult as things may seem at times, like thinking, God, will I ever get over this again? Some how, I'm still optimistic I WILL have the victory and freedom in the end like I did for the past 7 or 8 years. But at times that is very hard to keep believeing that way, but I guess just by the grace and mercy from God, I keep optimistic about my final victory that I believe I will have and that I do have, if I just keep persistant. I went to a lady that wasn't even a psychiatrist,(because I'm not 100% happy with my psychiatrist, as I am limited to who I can see with my insurance) but she is a nurse practitoner that some how is allowed to perscribe anti depressants,etc. She worked at a Christian mental health clinic, so I figured she was a Christian. Because having a psychiatrist and counselor be a Christian is EXTREMELY important to me. Turns out she didn't much even consider herself a Christian. And she tried to tell me none of those thoughts were from the devil and that it was my own mind making them up. Which I completely DISAGREE with. Yes I do think all evil thoughts are from Satan, but I do recognize that my own mind in the flesh can make things worse in my situation, for example by being caught in what I call a thought loop, where like a record player,no matter how hard I try I can't seem to cast down thoughts very easily and they just seem to play in constant rotation. Or by worrying or assuming I will have thoughts make my situation worse too. So I take some responsibility by forming bad habits of thinking patterns by assuming I will be attacked with those thoughts, and worrying about them. But to say they are all made up in my mind and not from the devil is absolute garbage! Because thats how those thoughts get there in the first place, Satan brings them against us. Its just up to us to what we will do with them. And for some people, like myself, its just extrememly hard to just brush them off and not focus on them, when some people can just chaulk them up to dumb thoughts and move on. So my case in point, I decided to not take the upped medication does she gave me, because obviously she is not a psyhicatrist and she doesn't believe in the devil. So why would I trust her medical or religious opinion? I have a a real psychiatrist I see ( I take 75 mg of Effexor XR) but he doesn't have much of a personality at all, and I have never felt comfortable talking about these thoughts with him and asking him if he could perscribe something that would help me cope with these thoughts. He is listed as being a Christian, but so was that other lady. So I am very skeptical to trust in him that he is a true Christian too, and I think he will only see the psychological side and not consider the spiritual side too and say none of it's the devil too. Don't mistake, I do give the devil a lot of credit for these thoughts coming against me. But I do take some of the credit for making the thoughts worse by overreacting and over obsessing over them. And I would just like to know If medication can help, and If so, what kind. I don't expect mediaction to fix everything and be a magic pill. That is what Jesus Christ is for and why he died for our healing. But If a pill can help diminish my side effects and help me cope with things better, then is there anything wrong with a Christian relying on Jesus for help, healing and strength, but taking some medication that might help too. Please any and all advice for help with coping with these thoughts and advice on medication and any of the things I have stated above, and you have struggled with intrusive violent thoughts, by all means, please message me or reply to my post. Feel free to email me too at: pudnanewell1986@aol.com

Thank you and God bless!!
 
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I believe the best way to deal with intrusive thoughts of any kind is to "de-value them." Treat them as simply mind clutter. As you said, it IS the anxiety that makes them worse regardless of the source. It's kinda like you don't want to think them so hard, they become worse because you're focusing on NOT thinking them. If someone tells you not to think of green monkeys, you will have a hard time NOT thinking about them, ya know?

Regarding meds, everyone has their own opinion. Personally, I am a Christian, and I do take Paxil. Taking meds was strongly recommended to me by my counselor who is a very committed, Spirit-filled Christian who is also professional counselor. The meds are not the total answer as you said, but I think they often can help. Again, everyone has their opinion. I personally don't think it's wrong to use meds along with trusting God unless you feel the Lord has led you otherwise.
 
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I have struggled with obsessive thoughts all my life-since I can remember. I am a big doubter-I remember being in the 6th grade (not paying attention to the math teacher) but instead saying to myself, "Lord I do believe in you...I do...I do...." It was like a circle of thoughts with no end or beginning. I have also had violent thoughts towards others and even God (which have devastated me). I have been taking Prozac for years now and even though I still struggle with bad thoughts, the prozac does help with my depression so I am better able to deal with the ruminations. Lately, I concentrate in putting my trust in Christ. Everyday I make it a habit to trust Him and I don't try to understand my thoughts or analyze them,i.e., lean not on your own understanding.. This has brought me some joy recently, but everyday is a struggle.
 
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Hi, I just wanted to write you real quick. Brother Hagins books have also been a huge help for me. I just recently started listening to the Bible on CD and that has had greater results than anything else i've done the past year. I've listened a lot to Christian music and also read my word every night, but someone suggested that I try to hear a little bit of The Word every hour or so. I am a truck driver so this is possible for me. My fight started with blasphemous thoughts which I overcame and don't struggle with, then afterwards it turned into extreme doubts and also huge fear over failing God and doubting in Jesus Christ. The doubts have mostly subsided, and now I just fight with fear and self condemnation. Memorizing the Word of God about fear, and also reading about who I am in Jesus Christ is helping me overcome fear and doubt at the same time. Other than the Bible, Brother Hagins books come second place with the effect it has on my faith.
Also you mentions the verse about when a demon is cast out, it leaves and roams around in dry places and comes back to see the house swept up, and brings 7 more demons. Then the final state is worst than the first. If I am not mistakes this is talking about a person who has demons cast out of them, but don't recieve Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior. So the person is cleansed, but has no protection from further demonic invasions.
The key is not blaming yourself for the thoughts. Brother Hagin said, you can't keep a bird from flying over your head, but you can keep it from making a nest their. Also a man went up to Brother Hagin and asked him how to stop having evil thoughts, and Pastor Hagin said if it was possible, he would of done it by now. You can't stop the thoughts, but I believe you can cultivate God in your mind in such a way that the thoughts will begin to go away, and if they do come they will have no power.
 
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I have been takinh zoloft and it seems to help quiet my mind, but you have to take the antidepressants for 30-60 days before you see any improvment, that is what I was told from the doctor and the medication guide I recevied when I purchased the meds. I have read alot of the issues in the forum against this deadly attack and I too agree with you that it is satan that is why I can't do regular therapy because I don't believe the OCD theory and all the rest of the psych theories. I am worst off than you as I am addicted to the thoughts and my mind is sick thinking the thoughts and accepting them as my own thoughts everyday 24 hours a day like a stuck record. Then at night I lay in bed and worry about my salvation and going to hell and the next day I try not to think the thoughts but end up doing so. . God hates me and is angry with me becasue he knows I know it's satan but I've given into it and given up.
 
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I know it can be devastating-dealing with the "hiccups" of the mind; thoughts that make you question everything. The most profound thing about OCD is the way it turns everything "good" against you-it makes you your worst enemy. I do believe Satan has a lot to do with it but I also believe there is a chemical/biological origin as well. The OCD works in every area of my life, not just my relationship with God. I have my good days and bad days, but like most of you I have suffered quite a bit. I really believe God understands and your "thoughts" will not diminish your salvation. We are a special group of individuals who suffer from this and I think the church needs to be more open and educated to this problem. It is a shame when a fellow Christian doesn't understand and says im mentally ill. Its a shame when you try to talk to a Pastor and he just doesn't get it.
 
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Why have you given up??? do you not know that our God is a GOOD gOD, THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END, THE KING OF KINGS, LORD OF LORDS? i ENCOURAGE you to youtube atheist Howard Storm's testimony...i know that you are not atheist, however we have all at one time or another come under the attacks of Satan when we dont feel that God is working on our behalf and we simply give up!!! Rest if you must, but dont you quit!!! you are God's child, redeemed in his eyes, saved at the cross!!! if there is ANYONE on this post, who can tell you to pick up your bags and keep walking, it is ME, for I am going through a STORM OF STORMS in this very minute!!! not to disregard anything that anyone has gone through or is still pushing through, but i have been suicidal. I've tried to take my own life, and for what, because i cant fight satan off? we are WELL equipped as christians to do so!! i know, i know, it is hard to put into perspective, our faith is challenged!!! matthew 8:26, "o ye of little faith, why are you afraid?" GET UP, and thank you GOD FOR THE WORK THAT HE IS DOING!!!! someone told me that i am SO VALUABLE TO GOD, that satan does not want me to change my life over to God, which is why he is fighting me so hard!!!!!!!! please dont you ever give up. our God is awesome. it is so easy to dish out advice, and so hard to accept it, but to give up on God, is to be won over to satan. i know what we are going through does not seem like much of a testimony, but my God, it WILL be a testimony to many people who are goimg through what we are! God is prparing you for his purpose and his glory, bringing all the filth to the surface and wiping you clean. praise God, and GO IN GOD!!!!
 
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I have had awful and violent thoughts about myself, my birdsl, my family and others. I am not violent, though. It is depressing. All of the OCD meds. did not work for me. I have tourettes, too. It wasn't until a booster drug was added to my med that I experienced peace. Life is not easy as I have PTSD and Bipolar2. The meds help a lot for all of them unless someone is abusive or hurtful to me which happened recently and it depressed me so badly. I have Jesus with me all the time I believe and his presence is so comforting to me.
 
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I too believe that the devil uses this condition of ours to his advantage sometimes, I mean we all know that the devil is the accuser and that he wants us to doubt our salvation. We also know that the devil is a defeated foe. But let me also say that this mental disorder we have is sort of like a sickness in the brain, we don't say when we have the flue or if someone gets cancer that they must be doing bad spiritually or that they aren't saved. Of course not, because you know that they are sick and that there body has been corrupted.

I believe it is the same with these intrusive thoughts that we suffer from, it is a sickness of the mind that causes them, granted the mind is a spiritually connected organ, so it is very easy to connect the two, but we also must differentiate the spiritual with the natural. But of course the devil will try and use this condition of ours to get us to doubt the Lord Jesus and lose faith, just as he would do to a cancer patient.

Now we know God loves us, He has told us this and we know He can't lie. He knows that we are weak here on earth in our body, I know that He sympathizes with us in our problems...He knows more about our disorder than we do, He knows what we are going through and whether it be the sickness, the devil, or both, we are the innocent party and I know the Lord knows that. He wants us to trust Him more than our own reason, He said that He loves us no matter what and this disorder nore the devil will ever come between His love for us. Jesus understands, God bless.

Also, this is great christian web site on the matterhttp://net-burst.net/guilty/scrupulosity.htm
 
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i've been down the medicine chain and applaude you on believing the devil is the center of the thoughts. my husband is fuiruous with me because he believes it's just my mind and not satan at all. i went from having the thoughts to actually cursing god myself but also like you said repeated thougths like a stuck record. i thought it was just me that should be able to stop the record, now aftger reading your input it might be satan doing it. thnaks
 
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