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XYZ said:if aionios doesn't mean eternal, then are the righteous only for age-long life?
First i'll post some introductory info regarding definitions.
According to Webster's dictionary the English word eonian, aeonian being a variant spelling, (not the English word "eternal"), comes from the Greek word aionion.
Another variant is aeonic. They all mean, according to Webster's definition, "lasting for an immeasurably or indefinitely long period of time". Webster's adds "Origin and Etymology of aeonian...from Greek aiṓnios "lasting an age, perpetual" (derivative of aiṓn eon) + 2-an; aeonic from eon + 1-ic". Definition of EONIAN
OTOH for the English word "eternal":
## History and Etymology for *eternal*
Adjective
Middle English, from Middle French, from Late Latin *aeternalis* , from Latin *aeternus* eternal, from *aevum* age, eternity — more at [AYE](Definition of AYE)
Definition of ETERNAL
Another dictionary says re eonian "Of, relating to, or constituting an eon" & "eonian - of or relating to a geological eon (longer than an era) aeonian. 2. eonian - continuing forever or indefinitely..." eonian
"lasting for an indefinitely long period of time"
Definition of eonian
"Of, relating to, or constituting an eon"
http://www.memidex.com/eonian+pertaining-adjective
"Of or pertaining to an eon"
What does EONIAN mean?
The Concordant Literal New Testament consistently renders aionion as eonian.
XYZ said:if aionios doesn't mean eternal, then are the righteous only for age-long life?
Getting back to this question, and in light of the definitions above, i'll rephrase the query as:
If aionion(=eonian) doesn't mean eternal, then do the righteous only obtain a finite eonian life?
Eonian life is contrasted with eonian punishment (Mt.25:46). From one universalist perspective that verse concerns contrasting finite eonian destinies, not final endless destinies. So it could refer to contrasting destinies in a future finite eon, such as the millenial eon.
For Jesus said believers would obtain eonian/aionion life in the coming eon (Mk.10:30; Lk.18:30), limiting eonian life to a single finite eon, given that Scripture often speaks of multiple future eons to come (Lk.1:33; Eph.2:7; Rev.11:15; 22:5, etc).
Does that imply that believers - only - obtain a finite life in a finite future eon? No, Matthew 25:46 doesn't address the subject. Though other scriptures do indicate that the believer's life will be endless, such as those that speak of them becoming "immortal", "can no longer die", etc. Consider these passages:
Isa.25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
Lk.20:35 But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage.
36 In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels. And since they are sons of the resurrection, they are sons of God.
Acts 3:21 Heaven must take Him in until the time comes for the restoration of all things, which God announced long ago through His holy prophets.
Rom.8:17 and if children, also heirs: heirs indeed of God, and joint-heirs of Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified together.
Rom.8:21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
1 Cor.9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1 Cor.15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive...
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death…28 Now when all shall have been put in subjection to Him, then also the Son Himself will be put in subjection to the One having put in subjection all to Him, so that God may be all in all.
1 Cor.15:42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable.
1 Cor.15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
1 Cor.15:53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
Heb.13:14 For here we are not having a permanent city, but we are seeking for the one which is impending."
1 Pet.1:4 to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and unfading, reserved in the heavens for you,
1 Pet.5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.
Rev.2:11 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be harmed by the second death.
Rev.3:5 Like them, the one who is victorious will be dressed in white. And I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His angels.
Rev.3:12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name.
Rev.21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
The following opinion touches upon the subject:
"The Greek language has a number of terms to express endlessness, all of which are "stronger" than aioon, for it never expresses endlessness. Five distinct "eternities" are clearly marked in the Scriptures. How can any one of them be endless? This present eon is about to end with Christ's advent. That will usher in the coming eon, which will not last much longer than a thousand years. The rendering "forever and ever" ought to show even a sober English reader that "forever" cannot be endless. The words akataluton, indissoluble (Heb.7:16), aperanton, interminable (1 Tim.1:4), involve endlessness, as do aphtharton, incorruptible, and athanasia, immortality. In each case Greek uses the negative to express endlessness. The strongest expression is ouk telos, no consummation (Luke 1:33). Here again Scripture is made subject to tradition, and man's word replaces God's."
Those who believe in this life get the special(cf. 1 Tim.4:10-11) salvation called "life eonian" (John 10:27-29; Mt.25:46), life in the coming millenial eon. OTOH unbelievers will be cast into "hell" until they also become saved. For God is the Saviour of all, "ESPECIALLY" of those presently believing:
1 Tim.4:10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, 11 especially of believers.
Related CF threads on this topic:
Matt Slick: "The truth is, they (universalists) are right"
the finiteness of "eternal life" (aionon zoe) in John?
Could most modern translations be in error?
Matthew 25:46
Augustine's ignorance & error re Matthew 25:46
City-Data Forum - View Single Post - What does Matthew 25:46 mean?
What does Matthew 25:46 mean? (Gomorrah, Gospel, unpardonable, hell) - Christianity - - City-Data Forum
Have you been decieved by your Bible translation?
Is aionion necessarily coequal in duration with aionion (in Mt.25:46)?
An argument for "eternal conscious torment"
Matthew 25:46 paralllel argument with Rom 5 19:
Universalist Understanding?
Examples of aionios as a finite duration in Koine Greek:
Two Questions
Does aionios always mean eternal in ancient Koine Greek? (paradise, Gospel, hell) - Christianity - - City-Data Forum
If Jesus wished to express endless punishment, then He would have used expressions such as "endless", "no end" & "never be saved" as per:
How Scripture expresses endless duration (not aion/ios) (paradise, hell, punishment) - Christianity - - City-Data Forum
Jesus didn't use the best words & expressions to describe endlessness in regards to punishment, because He didn't believe in endless punishment.
ENDLESSNESS not applied to eschatological PUNISHMENT in Scripture:
could an 'eternal punishment' simply mean that once instituted it will not change?
12 points re forever and ever (literally to/into "the ages of the ages") being finite:
For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
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