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Addiction comes in many forms. Meaning its not just drugs and alcohol, its anything that your preoccupied with getting more excessively, and is disrupting your life. All of these thing release endorphins from the brain and makes us feel awesome ( we as humans like feeling good not bad) It could be food, gossip, pride, sex, computer, shopping, exercise, smoking ( which is a drug actually ) and the list is very long. I think if a addict was doing their addiction and died, there wouldn't be very many of us in heaven.
Addiction is a sin like any other sin, it is taking our own self will before Gods.
Being Jesus came and took the sin from us, I would say the addict goes to heaven.
I think what bothers me the most about many christians is they judge a drunk homeless guy yet they are over eating or something else to feel good.
Addiction is a sin like any other sin, it is taking our own self will before Gods.
Being Jesus came and took the sin from us, I would say the addict goes to heaven.
I think what bothers me the most about many christians is they judge a drunk homeless guy yet they are over eating or something else to feel good.
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I agree with you that many christians are hypocritically judgmental about many things while failing to acknowledge themselves as imperfect. Case in point; the obese TV pastor John Hagee who admonishes smokers and addicts and many other people as those who are defiling the temple of God which is your body but not Hagee's own body of course? 
Not sure God considers addiction as "sin" either but rather perhaps simply another symptom of those who are broken and in darkness needing the hope of salvation (i.e. Matthew 15:16-18)? But even Christians struggle with various sins I believe 'till the day they die? The bible doesn't say God will make all believers sin free and in perfect health either while in the flesh. Nor does the bible say God will answer all prayers of all Christians concerning their inequities, trespasses, compulsions, addictions and diseases etc.
But in these 'forums', it is guaranteed that believers will judge others ceaselessly for everything under the sun and also do everything they can to get other believers banned from the forum if they disagree with "their limited understanding" of God. I've already been warned and threatened banishment by this forum's moderating team for attempting to debate their interpretation of "fellowship". My topic was removed but they also disabled me from contacting anyone on the Members' List. So apparently they not only Judged me based on their forum rules rather than God's Laws but also condemned me as not being a Christian and therefore a threat to harm other members by contacting them for any reason? But when will "these people" learn that God is the Moderator, not man and to stop imposing conditions prohibiting freedom of speech and opinion between brethren? Do they think Jesus is in the business of banning sinners and imperfect followers from his presence? If not, then what gives moderators the right to judge and banish "sinners and imperfect followers" from their imperfect forum?
Indeed, the definition of forum is a "meeting or medium for open discussion or debate". But in every so-called Christian forum I've witnessed; the mods play gods and look for any and every possible cause to ban people and/or restrict their input, rather than trying to function as real Christians themselves and turn their other cheek when "they" feel verbally slapped in the face. And instead of attempting to win people over in His name, whom they think might still be in darkness, they just ban them because they don't have the power and love of God in them to deal with it. Just as they don't have the God-given compassion and respect for their brethren to discuss/debate all matters concerning God and try to come to agreement as Christ commands us. So they even ban Christians they don't agree with. Ergo and from experience, I minister God willing, to warn people that most of these so-called Christian forums may be the devil's medium for dividing and conquering believers through quarreling and unqualified judgmental rhetoric? But I am also an imperfect Christian so what do I know? Blessings.
Not sure God considers addiction as "sin" either but rather perhaps simply another symptom of those who are broken and in darkness needing the hope of salvation (i.e. Matthew 15:16-18)? But even Christians struggle with various sins I believe 'till the day they die? The bible doesn't say God will make all believers sin free and in perfect health either while in the flesh. Nor does the bible say God will answer all prayers of all Christians concerning their inequities, trespasses, compulsions, addictions and diseases etc.But in these 'forums', it is guaranteed that believers will judge others ceaselessly for everything under the sun and also do everything they can to get other believers banned from the forum if they disagree with "their limited understanding" of God. I've already been warned and threatened banishment by this forum's moderating team for attempting to debate their interpretation of "fellowship". My topic was removed but they also disabled me from contacting anyone on the Members' List. So apparently they not only Judged me based on their forum rules rather than God's Laws but also condemned me as not being a Christian and therefore a threat to harm other members by contacting them for any reason? But when will "these people" learn that God is the Moderator, not man and to stop imposing conditions prohibiting freedom of speech and opinion between brethren? Do they think Jesus is in the business of banning sinners and imperfect followers from his presence? If not, then what gives moderators the right to judge and banish "sinners and imperfect followers" from their imperfect forum?
Indeed, the definition of forum is a "meeting or medium for open discussion or debate". But in every so-called Christian forum I've witnessed; the mods play gods and look for any and every possible cause to ban people and/or restrict their input, rather than trying to function as real Christians themselves and turn their other cheek when "they" feel verbally slapped in the face.
And instead of attempting to win people over in His name, whom they think might still be in darkness, they just ban them because they don't have the power and love of God in them to deal with it. Just as they don't have the God-given compassion and respect for their brethren to discuss/debate all matters concerning God and try to come to agreement as Christ commands us. So they even ban Christians they don't agree with. Ergo and from experience, I minister God willing, to warn people that most of these so-called Christian forums may be the devil's medium for dividing and conquering believers through quarreling and unqualified judgmental rhetoric? But I am also an imperfect Christian so what do I know? Blessings.
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Wow this thread sure went off topic.
I feel it is a sin when we are preoccupied with our addictions.
Any forum that you go to will have boundaries to keep people safe. Maybe open
your own blog or website.
I feel it is a sin when we are preoccupied with our addictions.
Any forum that you go to will have boundaries to keep people safe. Maybe open
your own blog or website.
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Regardless, if God deems your particular addiction to be a sin; it is also forgiven by the blood Christ shed for all of us.
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mandelduke
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Yes they will find heaven, a lot of times they will find heaven quicker.[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'][/FONT]
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"But when will 'these people' learn that God is the Moderator, not man and to stop imposing conditions prohibiting freedom of speech and opinion between brethren? Do they think Jesus is in the business of banning sinners and imperfect followers from his presence? If not, then what gives moderators the right to judge and banish 'sinners and imperfect followers' from their imperfect forum?"
It is true that the moderators are inperfect, however; gods grace even extends to moderators. They are courageous enough to take a stand to protect people and make this forum safe even if they face harsh criticism. "freedom of speech" is not as important as encouraging one another in christ. If the moderators stopped enforcing rules people may be waylayed by hostile comments; In subforums like the struggles with sexuality forums people could post sexualy explicit details tempting others, or people could just harangue fragile hurting people. Already people have fleed the forum because of harsh demoralising comments.
In summary moderators can be overly strict, but they strive to make the forum a safe godly place for discussion. Oh and as to God being the moderator, we were given free will to say hurtful things and god works through people. He uses peiople to moderate.
It is true that the moderators are inperfect, however; gods grace even extends to moderators. They are courageous enough to take a stand to protect people and make this forum safe even if they face harsh criticism. "freedom of speech" is not as important as encouraging one another in christ. If the moderators stopped enforcing rules people may be waylayed by hostile comments; In subforums like the struggles with sexuality forums people could post sexualy explicit details tempting others, or people could just harangue fragile hurting people. Already people have fleed the forum because of harsh demoralising comments.
In summary moderators can be overly strict, but they strive to make the forum a safe godly place for discussion. Oh and as to God being the moderator, we were given free will to say hurtful things and god works through people. He uses peiople to moderate.
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In summary moderators can be overly strict, but they strive to make the forum a safe godly place for discussion. Oh and as to God being the moderator, we were given free will to say hurtful things and god works through people. He uses peiople to moderate.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. everyone needs earthly shepherds
Agreed. everyone needs earthly shepherds
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Again, you've missed the point. We in Christ are under grace, not law. By imposing forum rules/laws, you place yourselves under Law which is Death and condemnation. As well, you insult those in Christ who are guided by the Holy Spirit and therefore would not be hateful or abusive to anyone in a forum or any place else.
If you don't even understand that, then you probably haven't been baptized with the Holy Spirit yet or may not even be a true follower yet? And God determines who may or may not be "waylayed", not You and certainly not by anything to do with 'your' forum laws.
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The point of the law is to show that we sin and we need grace. In this case the rules are meant to show that we are starting to act outside the holy spirit. None of us act in gods will all the time, even Paul in Romans 7:19 said "For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing." additionally god still calls us to follow the law, Romans 3:31 "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law." The law still exists, to show us we need to repent when we rebel. I never meant to insult anyone.
God allows us to make our own choices and consequently we can be waylayed. Peoples words have power. Satan's words tempted Adam and Eve to fall, and peoples words can have a similar effect.
If I did not understand that we are under grace, knowing my heart, I wouldn't be alive, because I know I'm an awful person. I am not a disciple of John the Baptist; I had more than a baptism of repentance.
God allows us to make our own choices and consequently we can be waylayed. Peoples words have power. Satan's words tempted Adam and Eve to fall, and peoples words can have a similar effect.
If I did not understand that we are under grace, knowing my heart, I wouldn't be alive, because I know I'm an awful person. I am not a disciple of John the Baptist; I had more than a baptism of repentance.
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If they are a Christian, they will go to heaven. Jesus died for all sins, even the sins of those who sadly die while they are still in active addiction.
Addicts are sick people trying to get better, not bad people trying to be good. But of course it is riddled with sin. We need to acknowledge addiction as a physical disease, as it is medically considered. We cannot be blamed for having a disease. What is important is how we live with our disease and respond to it. Do we use it to glorify God? Do we continue to thank God and trust in him, even while we are sick? Are we prayerful, or self reliant? And so forth. These are the questions we should be concerned with while experiencing any illness.
Jesus died to atone for ALL sins once and for all. Anyone who accepts him as Lord is given this gift of forgiveness. Yes, we will continue to sin after we become Christians. We are still fallen humans in a broken world. But we can grow in Christ and become more like him through the Holy Spirit, which now lives in us. But we can never un-earn this gift of forgiveness. How could you un-earn something that was given freely and undeservedly in the first place?
To think that our sin 'takes away' our forgiveness is just as wrong as thinking our good deeds earn our forgiveness. We do not earn God's forgiveness - it is a gift given freely by the grace of God to any who will accept it
G - God's
R - Riches
A - At
C - Christ's
E - Expense
Addicts are sick people trying to get better, not bad people trying to be good. But of course it is riddled with sin. We need to acknowledge addiction as a physical disease, as it is medically considered. We cannot be blamed for having a disease. What is important is how we live with our disease and respond to it. Do we use it to glorify God? Do we continue to thank God and trust in him, even while we are sick? Are we prayerful, or self reliant? And so forth. These are the questions we should be concerned with while experiencing any illness.
Jesus died to atone for ALL sins once and for all. Anyone who accepts him as Lord is given this gift of forgiveness. Yes, we will continue to sin after we become Christians. We are still fallen humans in a broken world. But we can grow in Christ and become more like him through the Holy Spirit, which now lives in us. But we can never un-earn this gift of forgiveness. How could you un-earn something that was given freely and undeservedly in the first place?
To think that our sin 'takes away' our forgiveness is just as wrong as thinking our good deeds earn our forgiveness. We do not earn God's forgiveness - it is a gift given freely by the grace of God to any who will accept it
G - God's
R - Riches
A - At
C - Christ's
E - Expense
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woodpecker
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When we turn to anything other than God to meet "our needs" it is idol worship it is sin.
If you are a born again Christian, the Holy Spirit will reveal your sin and lead you to repentance.....now if you ignore these warnings, discipline will come, ....if you still do not repent, fear The Lord, for your heart may become hardened, and you have then said to God I do not want you, nor obey you.
LISTEN TO THE WARNINGS FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT
I repented...sinned....repented....sinned....repented....sinned....repented
The Lord showed me I must stop drinking and drugging or he would leave me in my darkness
2 Peter 2...... Warns us
20 And when people escape from the wickedness of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and then get tangled up and enslaved by sin again,
they are worse off than before.
21 It would be better if they had never known the way to righteousness than to know it and then reject the command they were given to live a holy life.
22 They prove the truth of this proverb: “A dog returns to its vomit.”[g] And another says, “A washed pig returns to the
If you are a born again Christian, the Holy Spirit will reveal your sin and lead you to repentance.....now if you ignore these warnings, discipline will come, ....if you still do not repent, fear The Lord, for your heart may become hardened, and you have then said to God I do not want you, nor obey you.
LISTEN TO THE WARNINGS FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT
I repented...sinned....repented....sinned....repented....sinned....repented
The Lord showed me I must stop drinking and drugging or he would leave me in my darkness
2 Peter 2...... Warns us
20 And when people escape from the wickedness of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and then get tangled up and enslaved by sin again,
they are worse off than before.
21 It would be better if they had never known the way to righteousness than to know it and then reject the command they were given to live a holy life.
22 They prove the truth of this proverb: “A dog returns to its vomit.”[g] And another says, “A washed pig returns to the
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deetwang
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I think it's individual cases, not one flat "yes or no" answer. Some people get in bad accidents or have injuries and are prescribed medication, and get addicted. They didnt' go out on the streets looking for drugs, and did not plan ahead. Addiction is an illness!
Other people deliberately go out for the sole purpose to get high, and don't care who they hurt getting or using drugs. Some just want a temporary escape and end up hooked.
I think it's the person's relationship with Christ that counts, for we all sin and fall short and we all need His grace and forgiveness, addicts or not!
2 Timothy 2:9 "The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity"
So if the person is seeking the Lord's help, and hasn't yet overcome the addiction, I think they are saved! But if the person just doesn't care about pleasing the Lord, then they are not. It's each individual heart, only God can judge a person's heart.
Other people deliberately go out for the sole purpose to get high, and don't care who they hurt getting or using drugs. Some just want a temporary escape and end up hooked.
I think it's the person's relationship with Christ that counts, for we all sin and fall short and we all need His grace and forgiveness, addicts or not!
2 Timothy 2:9 "The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity"
So if the person is seeking the Lord's help, and hasn't yet overcome the addiction, I think they are saved! But if the person just doesn't care about pleasing the Lord, then they are not. It's each individual heart, only God can judge a person's heart.
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