Identity of Eve

[gitlance]

I have a question for my Protestant brothers and sisters out there, and I thought this might be an appropriate forum since the Baptist church is the largest Protestant denomination in the states.

We all know and agree that, according to the Bible, Jesus Christ is the "new Adam." Yet, the Bible remains strangely silent in explicitly mentioning the identity of the "new Eve." I say there must be a new Eve, because it only follows suit that God would have somone fulfill Eve's role just as He had someone fulfill Adam's role in the New Covenant. Now, you may or may not know that Catholics generally agree that Mary, for many reasons, is the new Eve. My question to you is this: whom would you say is the new Eve?

Thanks!!

 

[Iollain]

I don't think there is , or has to be one. By one man, Adam, we fell, by one man, Yeshua, we are redeemed. Remember, Eve was fooled, Adam knew what he was doing. No sence adding to things that are silent, might get you into worship of other things.

I Tim 2:14
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression

Romans 5
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Notice here it says one, one one one........not two two two

 

[By Grace]

Could it be the church? Isn't the church going to be Christ's bride?

Just a thought...

 

[TwinCrier]

The idea of Mary being the bride of Christ, or a "new Eve" to Christ reeks of incest, even though she may not have a biological connection since Jesus was always God. The very idea just seems creepy. I agree with Jill, it seems as though the church, meaning those saved in Christ, are "the Bride."

 

[Crazy Liz]

I don't think the scriptures mention a new Eve, as they do Christ as the Last Adam. I don't think it's theologically necessary. I believe the name "Adam" applies to the one-flesh pair until Eve is given a separate personal name after the Fall and the Curse.

I disagree with the opinions above that contrast "Adam's" and "Eve's" responsibility for the Fall of humankind.

 

[2Timothy2]

I see no Biblical warrent for a 'Second Eve'. The Bible is completely silent on this subject. Anything we try to think up is simply speculation. Questions like this one, no offense intended, tend to lead to strife. Better to concentrate on what God has actually revealed in his Word. There is more than enough there to keep us learning, studying, and growing to last a lifetime, or an eternity.

 

[SumTinWong]

My question to you is this: whom would you say is the new Eve?

If the church is the bride of Christ, and Jesus is in fact the second Adam then it seems quite clear that if there were a second Eve, we the church are the new Eve.

Mary could not possibly be the new Eve as she was the mother of Jesus, and could not be his spouse like Eve was to Adam.

 

[Matthan]

Where is the need for a "new Eve"? Christ's Church on earth (and in Heaven) is just Christ's Church of true believers. The Church is not Eve reborn, or even Eve revisited. Christianity is simplicity in itself. Simple belief in Jesus as the Son of God leads to our complete justification through God's Grace. Nothing else is ever needed for that justification, so what possible purpose could a "new Eve" serve in the overall plan of Christianity? None at all.

Matthan

 

[BT]

I have a question for my Protestant brothers and sisters out there, and I thought this might be an appropriate forum since the Baptist church is the largest Protestant denomination in the states.

We all know and agree that, according to the Bible, Jesus Christ is the "new Adam." Yet, the Bible remains strangely silent in explicitly mentioning the identity of the "new Eve." I say there must be a new Eve, because it only follows suit that God would have somone fulfill Eve's role just as He had someone fulfill Adam's role in the New Covenant. Now, you may or may not know that Catholics generally agree that Mary, for many reasons, is the new Eve. My question to you is this: whom would you say is the new Eve?

Thanks!!

Here we go with the protestant talk again..

I am not a protestant. I am not protesting your church or your faith. I am not protesting the Catholic church. I am not protesting anything.

now..

There is no need for a new Eve. Mary is not a new Eve, Mary was Mary. If Christ is the Second Adam how in the world could his (earthly) mother be an "Eve". It's ridiculous. I was a Catholic for years and never heard this idea. I don't know if the folks over in OBOB would agree with you or not... you'd have to ask them. Mary was a human being, not divine, not immaculate, not perfect. In the grand scheme of things she had one thing to do, conceive by the Holy Spirit and give birth to the Son of God. That's it. She did it, she's done, that's the end of her story. She was great, blessed among women, but that's it. She is no more significant than Joseph her husband in terms of contemporary Christianity.

 

[ZiSunka]

Doc,

Your thinking is all mixed up. There doesn't need to be a new Eve because the "new Adam" is a metaphor, not literal. Christ is not Adam, nor is he a new Adam in the literal sense. It is a metaphor for starting over, not a suggestion that Adam and Eve were created again in Christ.

 

[kayanne]

Here we go with the protestant talk again..

I am not a protestant. I am not protesting your church or your faith. I am not protesting the Catholic church. I am not protesting anything.

now..

Now...that wasn't a very warm welcome to a new member.

I don't particularly use the word "protestant" to describe myself (neither do I call myself Baptist, or anything else other than Christian), but given this dictionary definition, I see no need to "protest" the use of the word.

protestant

\Prot"es*tant\, a. [Cf. F. protestant.]
Of or pertaining to the faith and practice of those Christians who reject the authority of the Roman Catholic Church; as, Protestant writers.

By this definition, the OP was certainly correct in referring to all of here as protestants.

 

[Gerry_NY]

Doc,

Your thinking is all mixed up. There doesn't need to be a new Eve because the "new Adam" is a metaphor, not literal. Christ is not Adam, nor is he a new Adam in the literal sense. It is a metaphor for starting over, not a suggestion that Adam and Eve were created again in Christ.

I'm going to agree with you here. I was reading all the posts and deciding how to respond. THen I read this one. I have to agree with you in saying Jesus was refered to as the "new" Adam as a new beginning. I also agree that if it were a literal statement, there would be no need for a "new" Eve, because there is no scriptual (sp?) support for that idea.

 

[sobresaliente]

The Catholic Church THINKS Mary is a lot of things. I don't know if there is a new Eve, but if there was one I would have to say it would be the Bride of Christ- ie the church

Sobresaliente