IDD is Gone

[Jason1646]

Ok, I know I probably shouldn't ever post in here but I just wanted to throw my two cents (KA-CHING!) into the mix here.

IDD isn't closed. IDD has been transformed into a Formal Debate Forum. Which is a good thing. That means that Catholics, Messianics, P/R/E's and Orthodox all must come up with a structured, studied and politely presented argument when posting in IDD. This will give us more time to think before posting anything in a heated manner, which will in turn give us more time to pray while thinking about our responses. This will result in less insult, less demeaning postings and an overall more Christian atmosphere in IDD.

At least that's the way I see it.

Hi nyj,

I would say that I am in general agreement with you. The IDD forum was, for the most part, simply a place for cut and paste apologetics rather than rational dialogue. However, one benefit from the forum was that it gave me the opportunity to see with whom a formal debate would be a complete waste of time, which I would have to say, is comprised of all but perhaps two people from the opposing viewpoint.

Sincerely in Christ,

~Jason

 

[Debi1967]

Hi nyj,

I would say that I am in general agreement with you. The IDD forum was, for the most part, simply a place for cut and paste apologetics rather than rational dialogue. However, one benefit from the forum was that it gave me the opportunity to see with whom a formal debate would be a complete waste of time, which I would have to say, is comprised of all but perhaps two people from the opposing viewpoint.

Sincerely in Christ,

~Jason

I would ordinarily be in agreement with you, but there were times when the cut and paste thingy worked it's purpose.
Like When I was asking a lot of questions about the RCC that I used to be violently against because massive misunderstanding it did help to see the info instead of people just telling me. Now I am a little upset because I can't access any of it, and I hadn't saved it yet because I got sick.

 

[Miss Shelby]

I would ordinarily be in agreement with you, but there were times when the cut and paste thingy worked it's purpose.
Like When I was asking a lot of questions about the RCC that I used to be violently against because massive misunderstanding it did help to see the info instead of people just telling me. Now I am a little upset because I can't access any of it, and I hadn't saved it yet because I got sick.

Debi,

You can always go to OBOB and ask for the info. We're all masters at cut and paste. If we can't find the exact thing that you're looking for, we'll come up with a reasonable facsimile.

Michelle

 

[Debi1967]

Debi,

You can always go to OBOB and ask for the info. We're all masters at cut and paste. If we can't find the exact thing that you're looking for, we'll come up with a reasonable facsimile.

Michelle

I know I just hate to be asking for the same things over again and bother you guys with it all. It was so much the last time. Actually I can get one thing I just have to PM my friend Kenny and ask him to send it to me that way. It was a wonderful thing about a Saint and a vision. The picture and the url that went with it would be nice too.
God Bless
Debi

 

[KennySe]

I must be strange or something because I did not know that I would have to take on other Christians and defend my Faith to them as well as the Non-Believer.

I had the same reaction when my Christian faith was question by another Christian of another Christian faith.

I was just told by someone in PM that I didn't seem like a Christian because I was too compassionate to be one ...

God bless you, Debi, for being too compassionate.

 

[KennySe]

I know I just hate to be asking for the same things over again and bother you guys with it all.

Asking us is not a bother.
And our answering is not a bother.

The peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with all His CHildren.

 

[Debi1967]

Asking us is not a bother.
And our answering is not a bother.

The peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with all His CHildren.

Well thanx And I just did New thread for you in the OBOB. Have Fun.
God Bless
In Christ
Deb

 

[JOYfulbeliever]

I would ordinarily be in agreement with you, but there were times when the cut and paste thingy worked it's purpose.
Like When I was asking a lot of questions about the RCC that I used to be violently against because massive misunderstanding it did help to see the info instead of people just telling me. Now I am a little upset because I can't access any of it, and I hadn't saved it yet because I got sick.

Debi,

Mods still have access to the closed forums, so if you know the thread(s) that you would like, just let a mod know and we can get that for you. Same goes for anyone else who is looking for a particular thread in a closed forum.

Sincerely,

JOYfulbeliever
CF Moderator
P/R/E

 

[Polycarp1]

I personally am very much disappointed -- though I see why the decision had to be made (and am probably a small part of it, through complaining about one particular individual who denied important truths about my own faith community).

IDD's demise leaves me without a home. I'm an Anglican, as you may note above. We're part of the Reformation, but believe in the Apostolic Succession, the efficacy of the Sacraments, the importance of Holy Tradition in belief and practice... Where do I fit? I'm not sola scriptura, I hold to Grace as opposed to sola fidei, I'm not a follower of the Pope, and while we Anglicans come closer to Orthodox than to anyone else, I doubt that the Ancient Way is going to welcome an influx of Western-theology adherents as a part of their community.

Some of our doctrines fit in Liberal Christianity -- notably the strong focus on social justice and the primacy of the Two Great Commandments, taken as a guide to behavior. On the homosexuality question (for example, and with a strong caveat that this should not be used as a hijack to begin debating that) we hold that any act or attitude barring gay people who have accepted Christ as Lord and Savior from full participation in worship and fellowship is contrary to the "Love thy neighbor as thyself" command. This does not accord with the sin-and-necessity-of-repentance stance of most Protestants, Catholics, or Orthodox. But we hold firm to some traditional views, including the primacy of the Eucharist and the Apostolic episcopacy, that differentiate us from most "Liberal Christians" as the term is usually self-applied.

IDD is where I could respectfully agree with Catholics on some issues, equally respectfully disagree on others, and in doing so get at truths that neither of us had realized before about each other's faiths. But as with all things, the abuse of the forum led to its closure. And that's unfortunate, verging on tragic.

 

[A. believer]

The thing is we all have different beliefs and I can biblically base mine as well as you can base yours. It is your Church that has determined what is to be heresy and mine may not think that it is. If I were a JW or Mormon I could understand your argument, but if I told you that I do not believe we literally burn in hell and that it is symbolic you would probably tell me that is heresy to your Church whereas to mine it is not. And For you to tell me otherwise is wrong. You can disagree with me but to call me a heretic is the same as me calling you one for preaching that it is literal. I use the scriptures to back up my words and Jesus' example. I put what the bible says before any man because that is what it tells me to do. And because the bible can be interpretted so many ways. So I pray and I ask for his guidance and I read it for myself always and I never take it out of context.

A good deal of the New Testament was written to refute the teachings of others who named the name of Christ, but who taught heresy. And the early church spent a good deal of time refuting the errors of professing Christians who misused Scripture to back up their heresies, such as the Arians, Pelagians, etc. Scripture can be "used" to back a lot of things if it's "interpreted" eisegetically, which is what heretics do. But to those who hold Scripture in the proper regard, who are unwilling to play fast and loose with the Word of God for the sake of getting a particular pre-conceived outcome at all costs, truth really can be ascertained from Scripture.

 

[Greeter]

Maybe a new forum could be opened up for Anglicans then?

 

[Jason1646]

I would ordinarily be in agreement with you, but there were times when the cut and paste thingy worked it's purpose.
Like When I was asking a lot of questions about the RCC that I used to be violently against because massive misunderstanding it did help to see the info instead of people just telling me. Now I am a little upset because I can't access any of it, and I hadn't saved it yet because I got sick.

Debbi,

My criticism against cut and paste apologetics does not mean there is a problem with cutting and pasting excerpts from Catholic teaching (say, from the Catechism) or even from the material of another person who is able to say what you want to say in clearer terms than you could express it yourself. My reference was to the practice of simply parroting arguments that have been read from other places and repeating them without really understanding them. In my opinion, IDD was littered with such rhetoric, which significantly hindered its usefulness. To be fair, I think this is simply a common illness experienced by the majority of Internet discussion forums, but that it comes out more bitterly in the IDD kind of forums because of the tension already existent in the conflicting groups.

Regards,

~Jason

 

[II Paradox II]

Erwin and the staff at CF have decide to close down IDD. I am not to happy about this turn of events. I liked the IDD, some times it got heated that is not allways bad. I learned alot on that board with the free flow of questions and point counter point disscussion. I for one will miss it !!

heh... that figures...

I told someone else that with my luck the IDD would be shut down once I finally got 100 posts...

well, I just got 100 a few days ago and look what happened.

ken

 

[Greeter]

heh... that figures...

I told someone else that with my luck the IDD would be shut down once I finally got 100 posts...

well, I just got 100 a few days ago and look what happened.

ken

Well, at least we know who to blame.

 

[II Paradox II]

Well, at least we know who to blame.

I know. Perhaps I should start posting on the charismatic board as a prophet...

ken

 

[BBAS 64]

I know. Perhaps I should start posting on the charismatic board as a prophet...

ken

Ken

LOL boy I needed that

Thanx man,

Bill

 

[Debi1967]

A good deal of the New Testament was written to refute the teachings of others who named the name of Christ, but who taught heresy. And the early church spent a good deal of time refuting the errors of professing Christians who misused Scripture to back up their heresies, such as the Arians, Pelagians, etc. Scripture can be "used" to back a lot of things if it's "interpreted" eisegetically, which is what heretics do. But to those who hold Scripture in the proper regard, who are unwilling to play fast and loose with the Word of God for the sake of getting a particular pre-conceived outcome at all costs, truth really can be ascertained from Scripture.

Yes I know this that is why one needs to reasearch the scriptures not take them out of context and to find out proper meanings of things found in the scriptures so as to know the full meaning. Then one must constantly read them. Once through is not enough in my opinion. It is like any other book with every time you read it there are things you are going to see that you did not see before and I believe that is the Holy Spirit working.

 

[A. believer]

Yes I know this that is why one needs to reasearch the scriptures not take them out of context and to find out proper meanings of things found in the scriptures so as to know the full meaning. Then one must constantly read them. Once through is not enough in my opinion. It is like any other book with every time you read it there are things you are going to see that you did not see before and I believe that is the Holy Spirit working.

But you said,

OK I still do not understand why we have to debate ANYTHING with each other if we are all CHRISTIANS to begin with. What is more important proving we are right or doing what is right?? And doing what is right is helping others that don't know to begin with to know. Instead we are debating over how we are to debate. This seems very nonsensical to me at this point. I must be strange or something because I did not know that I would have to take on other Christians and defend my Faith to them as well as the Non-Believer.

So should Athanasius have said to the Arian bishops, "Why should we debate each other? Trinity, shminity--we're all Christians, so let's just go reach the lost and forget about these silly distinctions that divide us." Should Augustine have said to the Pelagians, "Who cares how the church defines grace, let's just go help the poor. They don't care about our definitions, anyway!"

 

[Debi1967]

But you said,

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So should Athanasius have said to the Arian bishops, "Why should we debate each other? Trinity, shminity--we're all Christians, so let's just go reach the lost and forget about these silly distinctions that divide us." Should Augustine have said to the Pelagians, "Who cares how the church defines grace, let's just go help the poor. They don't care about our definitions, anyway!"

First of all where do you get that talking about how I use the scripture and read it and my philosophy is in any related to my earlier post because I was indeed not debating, I was simply discussing, not arguing to win a point. If that is not your philosophy then so be it. It does not have to be. So I see no relation of the two. And once again I stand firm on my first statement. We in fact the majority of the time IMHO do not debate fundamentals but instead put down the other side. It has almost always appeared to me to be a you are wrong and I am right thing and I am not going to respect that we have differences of opinion. I very rarely see anyone say can we agree to disagree?? Fundamentals are one thing degrading each other is another. Making it seem like one is more important than another is quite different. Calling each other names whether they be by the Church or not should IMHO not be allowed. And I challenge anyone in the bible to show me where it says that if you are doing things the way you should which is obey Jesus' commandments believe He is the only way to salvation and all of our other things we hold sacred like the Trinity and such that this behaviour is allowed towards another.

 

[tigersnare]

First of all where do you get that talking about how I use the scripture and read it and my philosophy is in any related to my earlier post because I was indeed not debating, I was simply discussing, not arguing to win a point. If that is not your philosophy then so be it. It does not have to be. So I see no relation of the two. And once again I stand firm on my first statement. We in fact the majority of the time IMHO do not debate fundamentals but instead put down the other side. It has almost always appeared to me to be a you are wrong and I am right thing and I am not going to respect that we have differences of opinion. I very rarely see anyone say can we agree to disagree?? Fundamentals are one thing degrading each other is another. Making it seem like one is more important than another is quite different. Calling each other names whether they be by the Church or not should IMHO not be allowed. And I challenge anyone in the bible to show me where it says that if you are doing things the way you should which is obey Jesus' commandments believe He is the only way to salvation and all of our other things we hold sacred like the Trinity and such that this behaviour is allowed towards another.

Is there any way you could give me a paragraph break, or two?